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No, Google isn't part of PRISM. The FBI is part of PRISM. Google responds to court-ordered data requests, including from the FBI.

monocasa 7y ago
The NSA's slides disagree with you. https://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/prism-slides-nsa-document https://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/pr...
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  The NSA's slides disagree with you. Here is the slide explaining how the data flows. https://imgur.com/setOJIm https://imgur.com/setOJIm PRISM is simply a data integration system that gets data from the FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit, which is the group that handles Internet communication wiretaps on specific individuals under investigation.
  - monocasa 7y ago
    > No, Google isn't part of PRISM. The slides literally list Google as a data provider as part of the PRISM program.
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      If you paint with that broad brush, the users whose data PRISM consumes are also part of the PRISM program. That's a fairly useless definition. What people are interested when talking about PRISM is whom the NSA integrates with.
      - monocasa 7y ago
        End users didn't build automated systems to comply with government requests and integrate with the PRISM program. End users also aren't listed in NSA documentation as collaborators.
        lern_too_spel 7y ago
        Google also isn't listed in NSA documentation as collaborators. Google also didn't integrate with the PRISM program. Same. Edit (responding too fast): > Literally page five lists the companies Page 5 doesn't say they are "collaborators." > and page six lists the per company agreement dates Page 6 doesn't say there was an "agreement" with those companies. It simply lists the dates that the FBI made data they have from these companies available for ingestion. Stop pretending words exist in the documents that don't. That's conspiracy theory nonsense by the exact same method as Pizzagate.
        monocasa 7y ago
        Literally page five lists the companies, and page six lists the per company agreement dates. Stop gaslighting us.
        tpmx 7y ago
        The title of page six is: "Dates When PRISM Collection Began for Each Provider". That is not the same as "company agreement", by any stretch of the imagination. (gaslighting? seriously? you're clearly the person who is trying really, really, hard to twist the facts here) I don't like Google more than anyone else. The truth though, that's important stuff worth spending time defending.
        monocasa 7y ago
        They're automated systems in support of the 702 program. The companies in question had to have done work to assist, by the nature of how the program works.
        tpmx 7y ago
        Okay. I see what you mean. Take care.
- tpmx 7y ago
  Nothing in those slides substantiates your claim.
  - monocasa 7y ago
    The slides literally list Google as a data provider as part of the PRISM program.
    - tpmx 7y ago
      No, they list Google as one of the PRISM data sources. It doesn't say if Google was breached or if Google volunteered. Again: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/googlers-say-f-you-to-nsa-company-encrypts-internal-network/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/googl...
      - monocasa 7y ago
        The PRISM slides list per company agreement dates spanning over five years. Microsoft started first in 2007, Google was added in 2009, with Apple being one of the last in 2012. If it was a system that was simply ingesting FBI data, why would it wait until 2012, unless you're suggesting that Apple didn't respond to FBI requests at all until late 2012? Just because the NSA had a program to exceed even what had been negotiated via PRISM, doesn't mean that PRISM didn't involve collaboration.

monocasa 7y ago

The NSA's slides disagree with you. https://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/prism-slides-nsa-document https://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/pr...

lern_too_spel 7y ago
The NSA's slides disagree with you. Here is the slide explaining how the data flows. https://imgur.com/setOJIm https://imgur.com/setOJIm PRISM is simply a data integration system that gets data from the FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit, which is the group that handles Internet communication wiretaps on specific individuals under investigation.
- monocasa 7y ago
  > No, Google isn't part of PRISM. The slides literally list Google as a data provider as part of the PRISM program.
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    If you paint with that broad brush, the users whose data PRISM consumes are also part of the PRISM program. That's a fairly useless definition. What people are interested when talking about PRISM is whom the NSA integrates with.
    - monocasa 7y ago
      End users didn't build automated systems to comply with government requests and integrate with the PRISM program. End users also aren't listed in NSA documentation as collaborators.
      - lern_too_spel 7y ago
        Google also isn't listed in NSA documentation as collaborators. Google also didn't integrate with the PRISM program. Same. Edit (responding too fast): > Literally page five lists the companies Page 5 doesn't say they are "collaborators." > and page six lists the per company agreement dates Page 6 doesn't say there was an "agreement" with those companies. It simply lists the dates that the FBI made data they have from these companies available for ingestion. Stop pretending words exist in the documents that don't. That's conspiracy theory nonsense by the exact same method as Pizzagate.
        monocasa 7y ago
        Literally page five lists the companies, and page six lists the per company agreement dates. Stop gaslighting us.
        tpmx 7y ago
        The title of page six is: "Dates When PRISM Collection Began for Each Provider". That is not the same as "company agreement", by any stretch of the imagination. (gaslighting? seriously? you're clearly the person who is trying really, really, hard to twist the facts here) I don't like Google more than anyone else. The truth though, that's important stuff worth spending time defending.
        monocasa 7y ago
        They're automated systems in support of the 702 program. The companies in question had to have done work to assist, by the nature of how the program works.
        tpmx 7y ago
        Okay. I see what you mean. Take care.
tpmx 7y ago
Nothing in those slides substantiates your claim.
- monocasa 7y ago
  The slides literally list Google as a data provider as part of the PRISM program.
  - tpmx 7y ago
    No, they list Google as one of the PRISM data sources. It doesn't say if Google was breached or if Google volunteered. Again: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/googlers-say-f-you-to-nsa-company-encrypts-internal-network/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/googl...
    - monocasa 7y ago
      The PRISM slides list per company agreement dates spanning over five years. Microsoft started first in 2007, Google was added in 2009, with Apple being one of the last in 2012. If it was a system that was simply ingesting FBI data, why would it wait until 2012, unless you're suggesting that Apple didn't respond to FBI requests at all until late 2012? Just because the NSA had a program to exceed even what had been negotiated via PRISM, doesn't mean that PRISM didn't involve collaboration.