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But that is the way it is in my country, the USA, also. Now just a few corporations control most of the media people see, and positions who don’t go along with

But that is the way it is in my country, the USA, also. Now just a few corporations control most of the media people see, and positions who don’t go along with the establishment (like Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul) get at best sidelined by the media, at worst actively undermined. Sorry to be a little off topic, but I recommend the book Surveillance Capitalism to better understand how people are manipulated.

hef19898 7y ago
Sadly, if have to agree on the Bernie example. Luckily, it gets hilarious enough to be very obvious.
throwaway6734 7y ago
>get at best sidelined by the media Bernie's platform, like Trump's in 2016, has faced an incredible lack of scrutiny. I have yet to see him pressed on the very high possibility that most of his platform will never get through congress.
- refurb 7y ago
  I don’t think I’ve seen any candidate get pressed on the probability of their platform getting through Congress.
- notafraudster 7y ago
  Actual negotiations are against adversaries in private; why force someone (Sanders or anyone else) to negotiate against themselves in public? If you ask any presidential candidate about the chances of their platform passing as-is, they will all have the same three things to tell you: 1) Vote for members of congress who will support my agenda and this won't be a problem; 2) Give me a mandate to implement my agenda so I have more political capital for negotiations; 3) You need to plant a flag in the ground so that you have something to anchor negotiations later, which might involve compromises. If your point is that voters, the media, and politicians spend way too much time on platforms when they are mostly just signalling devices, I agree.
  - throwaway6734 7y ago
    Sure, but Sander's platform is significantly less concrete and likely (like Trump's) than the rest of the field. Promising voters things and then not being able to come close to accomplishing them undermines people's faith in the system & process.
    - pergadad 7y ago
      He has put some detailed calculations forward. Not sure how that's not concrete. Would you be able to make a single Biden Policy, or even better one that has actually been scrutinised?

hef19898 7y ago

Sadly, if have to agree on the Bernie example. Luckily, it gets hilarious enough to be very obvious.

throwaway6734 7y ago

>get at best sidelined by the media Bernie's platform, like Trump's in 2016, has faced an incredible lack of scrutiny. I have yet to see him pressed on the very high possibility that most of his platform will never get through congress.

refurb 7y ago
I don’t think I’ve seen any candidate get pressed on the probability of their platform getting through Congress.
notafraudster 7y ago
Actual negotiations are against adversaries in private; why force someone (Sanders or anyone else) to negotiate against themselves in public? If you ask any presidential candidate about the chances of their platform passing as-is, they will all have the same three things to tell you: 1) Vote for members of congress who will support my agenda and this won't be a problem; 2) Give me a mandate to implement my agenda so I have more political capital for negotiations; 3) You need to plant a flag in the ground so that you have something to anchor negotiations later, which might involve compromises. If your point is that voters, the media, and politicians spend way too much time on platforms when they are mostly just signalling devices, I agree.
- throwaway6734 7y ago
  Sure, but Sander's platform is significantly less concrete and likely (like Trump's) than the rest of the field. Promising voters things and then not being able to come close to accomplishing them undermines people's faith in the system & process.
  - pergadad 7y ago
    He has put some detailed calculations forward. Not sure how that's not concrete. Would you be able to make a single Biden Policy, or even better one that has actually been scrutinised?