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It's condescending, belittling and sarcastic IMHO. Judge things on their merit. Seeing posts upvoted simply because they're made by females is sad.

by axod 16y ago

Stormbringer 16y ago
Automatically attributing all the high quality posts to men is enormously much worse. And it will only perpetuate the problem or even make it worse, because it makes it harder for women to get the recognition they deserve. You might say that the recognition they deserve is equal recognition. I would agree. IFF they were currently getting equal recognition, then everything you say about giving them extra recognition would be true. It would be condescending, belittling and sarcastic. The problem is though that they don't get equal recognition. So until the day they do, you can put that "condescending, belittling and sarcastic" attitude right back where you found it.
- axod 16y ago
  If you're going into 'tech' to get recognition, you're probably going into it for the wrong reasons. This debate reminds me of the failed 'Women only shortlists" debacle in the UK under the Labour government, where they put forward only Women candidates, in order to get more women MPs. Regardless of their merit to actually do the job.
  - Stormbringer 16y ago
    From Wikipedia: In his essay "Homesteading the Noosphere", noted computer programmer Eric S. Raymond opined that open-source software developers have created "a 'gift culture' in which participants compete for prestige by giving time, energy, and creativity away". Members of the Linux community often speak of their community as a gift economy. Hence in my opinion; recognition is the currency of hackers, and thus while it is the unfortunate case that in many areas women are under-recognised... it is particularly egregious when this happens in the technology arena.
    - pohl 16y ago
      I'd say if you're going into it for any currency (actual or ersatz) you're going in for the wrong reasons.
      - derefr 16y ago
        Anything can be a currency. You can trade in self-fulfillment futures.
        pohl 16y ago
        Sweet. I've accumulated several decades of self-fulfillment. What exchange rate are you offering?

It's condescending, belittling and sarcastic IMHO. Judge things on their merit. Seeing posts upvoted simply because they're made by females is sad.

by axod 16y ago

It's condescending, belittling and sarcastic IMHO. Judge things on their merit. Seeing posts upvoted simply because they're made by females is sad.

Stormbringer 16y ago

Automatically attributing all the high quality posts to men is enormously much worse. And it will only perpetuate the problem or even make it worse, because it makes it harder for women to get the recognition they deserve. You might say that the recognition they deserve is equal recognition. I would agree. IFF they were currently getting equal recognition, then everything you say about giving them extra recognition would be true. It would be condescending, belittling and sarcastic. The problem is though that they don't get equal recognition. So until the day they do, you can put that "condescending, belittling and sarcastic" attitude right back where you found it.

axod 16y ago
If you're going into 'tech' to get recognition, you're probably going into it for the wrong reasons. This debate reminds me of the failed 'Women only shortlists" debacle in the UK under the Labour government, where they put forward only Women candidates, in order to get more women MPs. Regardless of their merit to actually do the job.
- Stormbringer 16y ago
  From Wikipedia: In his essay "Homesteading the Noosphere", noted computer programmer Eric S. Raymond opined that open-source software developers have created "a 'gift culture' in which participants compete for prestige by giving time, energy, and creativity away". Members of the Linux community often speak of their community as a gift economy. Hence in my opinion; recognition is the currency of hackers, and thus while it is the unfortunate case that in many areas women are under-recognised... it is particularly egregious when this happens in the technology arena.
  - pohl 16y ago
    I'd say if you're going into it for any currency (actual or ersatz) you're going in for the wrong reasons.
    - derefr 16y ago
      Anything can be a currency. You can trade in self-fulfillment futures.
      - pohl 16y ago
        Sweet. I've accumulated several decades of self-fulfillment. What exchange rate are you offering?