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I’d personally drop gsuite, trello and slack and get a office365 essentials plan. I know, because I did, and it’s so much easier to manage and it’s also cheaper

by moksly 7y ago

I’d personally drop gsuite, trello and slack and get a office365 essentials plan. I know, because I did, and it’s so much easier to manage and it’s also cheaper. I’m not going to say the tools are better with Microsoft, because to me it’s really much of the same where I genuinely don’t really like any of the options. But because it’s not worse either, you kind of get used to it. I think if you got the full teams/one-note experience on the essential plan that it might be better, but you don’t get the full experience in the browser. One example is that you can use Excel inside Onenote in the browser. But since I don’t really like slack or the g-suite stuff either, it’s basically the same with less hassle.

pravj 7y ago
I find this interesting, It shouldn't take much time before we have a new category of startups: - that lets you (as a startup) optimize spending on day-to-day tools (similar to optimizing your cloud spendings)
Roritharr 7y ago
I'm currently looking into digital whiteboarding solutions, Miro & Mural seem to be the tools of choice, but both are so expensive that I'd rather hold my nose and wait for Microsoft to invest in the Web Version of Whiteboard instead of spending another 4000$/yr on a SaaS App that gets used by 5 people 2 times a weeks and 30 people once every quarter...
girishso 7y ago
MS Teams is very buggy/has less features, we're researching other tools atm.
- dependsontheq 7y ago
  Yes we tried to switch to Teams from Slack ... but everyone hated it with passion. Hate is not good for productivity...
  - girishso 7y ago
    My thoughts exactly!
- moksly 7y ago
  I think the less features is an advantage. But they certainly don’t work as well if you’re web-only and getting access to the actual desktop applications is a more expensive license. I don’t particularly like teams, I do like planner and onenote colaboration, but I also really, really dislike slack, so that has to weigh into what you take from my opinion on the subject.
  - girishso 7y ago
    Ok, to be fair - Teams video calls is much better than hangouts we were using earlier. We do like chatting where threads are not a second thought like Slack (and UX is not "perfect" for threads). But major pain point for us is sharing code snippets or inline code in chat, inline code - just doesn't work and code snippets - really buggy, forget syntax highlighting.
hliyan 7y ago
A counterpoint (also based on personal experience): recently moved from a company that uses Office365 to a one that uses GSuite. Communications and document sharing feels far more simpler and productive. I can't quite put my finger on why, but working on GSuite just feels faster and less clunkier.
- danpalmer 7y ago
  We have both – everyone in the company uses GSuite, and then ~10% of the company use Excel and Outlook (connected to Gmail) for particular business requirements. The technical support for the Office 365 part is roughly the same load as the technical support for the GSuite part.
- sircastor 7y ago
  I share this experience. My company switched to Office365 from GSuite. It feels universally like a step down. The workers who all used MS desktop products liked it, but everyone I work with it had expressed nothing but disdain.
  - b0ner_t0ner 7y ago
    We are using Office 365. Outlook's search, spam management and filtering tools are very poor compared to Gmail.
- asdff 7y ago
  Spending much time in gsuite sucks compared to native 365 apps running on your machine synced to onedrive. Really smooth experience even on macos which was a surprise for me.
gnud 7y ago
The Teams UI has some huge blind spots. Now, you can finally sort-of-almost-reliably switch between different accounts. This used to just not work, for me. But you still can't see what account you're actually logged in with. I can only see my initials and name - and my initials and name's the same for all 4 MS accounts I have (private/family, employer, client 1, client 2). When you press "back" from an open document, you don't go back to the folder you opened it from, but to the root of the document library. The conferencing generally works OK-ish, but sometimes it just used another audio device that it says in the settings. The simplest solution is to reboot. Sometimes it works to switch device, re-start teams, and then switch device again.
- vpEfljFL 7y ago
  You can look at such imperfections from another angle. Think about it, you don't like the product because of issues you've described. You're still using it. Maybe, M$ got the product right on the parts you're really care about? Like office integration, price and so on. Messengers is a very competitive space: slack, m$ teams, zulip, mattermost, skype, telegram and so on and so on. My point here is issues you described just minor inconvenience and they wouldn't bring much value.
  - gnud 7y ago
    They got the product right in the areas my IT department cares about - included in O365 license, and the illusion of integrated account management. As I hinted at in my comment, account management is a pain point for us users - but probably not for the ones managing the users in a company.
afarrell 7y ago
If you and your cofounder are already used to trello why is > because it’s not worse either, you kind of get used to it. a compelling argument to switch. The time and irritation I spend "getting used to it" could be spent learning, designing, schlepping, and re-planning my way to product-market fit in my core competency.
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by moksly 7y ago

pravj 7y ago

I find this interesting, It shouldn't take much time before we have a new category of startups: - that lets you (as a startup) optimize spending on day-to-day tools (similar to optimizing your cloud spendings)

Roritharr 7y ago

I'm currently looking into digital whiteboarding solutions, Miro & Mural seem to be the tools of choice, but both are so expensive that I'd rather hold my nose and wait for Microsoft to invest in the Web Version of Whiteboard instead of spending another 4000$/yr on a SaaS App that gets used by 5 people 2 times a weeks and 30 people once every quarter...

girishso 7y ago

MS Teams is very buggy/has less features, we're researching other tools atm.

dependsontheq 7y ago
Yes we tried to switch to Teams from Slack ... but everyone hated it with passion. Hate is not good for productivity...
- girishso 7y ago
  My thoughts exactly!
moksly 7y ago
I think the less features is an advantage. But they certainly don’t work as well if you’re web-only and getting access to the actual desktop applications is a more expensive license. I don’t particularly like teams, I do like planner and onenote colaboration, but I also really, really dislike slack, so that has to weigh into what you take from my opinion on the subject.
- girishso 7y ago
  Ok, to be fair - Teams video calls is much better than hangouts we were using earlier. We do like chatting where threads are not a second thought like Slack (and UX is not "perfect" for threads). But major pain point for us is sharing code snippets or inline code in chat, inline code - just doesn't work and code snippets - really buggy, forget syntax highlighting.

hliyan 7y ago

A counterpoint (also based on personal experience): recently moved from a company that uses Office365 to a one that uses GSuite. Communications and document sharing feels far more simpler and productive. I can't quite put my finger on why, but working on GSuite just feels faster and less clunkier.

danpalmer 7y ago
We have both – everyone in the company uses GSuite, and then ~10% of the company use Excel and Outlook (connected to Gmail) for particular business requirements. The technical support for the Office 365 part is roughly the same load as the technical support for the GSuite part.
sircastor 7y ago
I share this experience. My company switched to Office365 from GSuite. It feels universally like a step down. The workers who all used MS desktop products liked it, but everyone I work with it had expressed nothing but disdain.
- b0ner_t0ner 7y ago
  We are using Office 365. Outlook's search, spam management and filtering tools are very poor compared to Gmail.
asdff 7y ago
Spending much time in gsuite sucks compared to native 365 apps running on your machine synced to onedrive. Really smooth experience even on macos which was a surprise for me.

gnud 7y ago

The Teams UI has some huge blind spots. Now, you can finally sort-of-almost-reliably switch between different accounts. This used to just not work, for me. But you still can't see what account you're actually logged in with. I can only see my initials and name - and my initials and name's the same for all 4 MS accounts I have (private/family, employer, client 1, client 2). When you press "back" from an open document, you don't go back to the folder you opened it from, but to the root of the document library. The conferencing generally works OK-ish, but sometimes it just used another audio device that it says in the settings. The simplest solution is to reboot. Sometimes it works to switch device, re-start teams, and then switch device again.

vpEfljFL 7y ago
You can look at such imperfections from another angle. Think about it, you don't like the product because of issues you've described. You're still using it. Maybe, M$ got the product right on the parts you're really care about? Like office integration, price and so on. Messengers is a very competitive space: slack, m$ teams, zulip, mattermost, skype, telegram and so on and so on. My point here is issues you described just minor inconvenience and they wouldn't bring much value.
- gnud 7y ago
  They got the product right in the areas my IT department cares about - included in O365 license, and the illusion of integrated account management. As I hinted at in my comment, account management is a pain point for us users - but probably not for the ones managing the users in a company.

afarrell 7y ago

If you and your cofounder are already used to trello why is > because it’s not worse either, you kind of get used to it. a compelling argument to switch. The time and irritation I spend "getting used to it" could be spent learning, designing, schlepping, and re-planning my way to product-market fit in my core competency.

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