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if this gets bad enough in the 'western' world maybe the Chinese could spin the narrative into "look how well we were able to control it in the place it started

if this gets bad enough in the 'western' world maybe the Chinese could spin the narrative into "look how well we were able to control it in the place it started" time will tell...

hangonhn 7y ago
It has already happened. My parents live in China and my mom was raving about how quickly they built that hospital in Wuhan and what a great leader they have. I told her Stanford is a really great hospital. shrug
- lawnchair_larry 7y ago
  Opinions on how well they’re handling things aside, I must say, I was pretty impressed with how quickly they built that hospital. We could never do that in the US.
  - magicsmoke 7y ago
    Not surprising considering how much practice China has building out their country's infrastructure over the past few decades. The US back in the 1900s was also handling some of the largest and most advanced civil engineering projects of the time. But after all the obvious improvements are done and demand for infrastructure dried up the US forgot how to do civil engineering like that after a few decades. In 50 years we'll probably be admiring the civil engineering in Nigeria while complaining about the outdated infrastructure in China. Countries at different stages of development are good at different things.
  - rcpt 7y ago
    Critical infrastructure to slow a deadly pandemic?? Not in MY backyard!
    - kevdragon6 7y ago
      https://www.ocregister.com/2020/02/22/why-here-costa-mesa-oc-officials-question-feds-plan-for-coronavirus-quarantine-site/ https://www.ocregister.com/2020/02/22/why-here-costa-mesa-oc...
  - easytiger 7y ago
    It's not a hospital
- lonnyk 7y ago
  Is there any accuracy to my belief that China caused this by arresting the doctors who were talking about this instead of investigating it? If so, are people in China aware of this? Do they see it as an issue?
  - netheril96 7y ago
    Yes we do. But given how other countries are reacting to COVID19 after so many deaths “it is just the flu”, I imagine this thing would have played out the same if the doctor were not arrested.
  - lqs469 7y ago
    Actually yes, the incident has had an unprecedented impact on the Internet. People have sharply criticized the actions of the Wuhan government and supported the doctor, and the central government has demanded an explanation from them. Finally, the Wuhan government also apologized. The whole incident is a lesson for China. If you want to know if people are aware of this or still be insensitive. I haven't done scientific statistics, but my 80 yr grandma told me that this doctor is a great man, we need to speak for him, and the government should apologize for it.
- netheril96 7y ago
  COVID19 overloads medical systems. It doesn’t matter how great Stanford hospital is when it is out of capacity.
sytelus 7y ago
I think China has indeed handled it really well and I doubt if many other countries would have been so effective. On Dec 31, the first case reported and the virus didn't even have a name. The first death didn't even occur until Jan 10. By Jan 22, the death toll was still under 20 and China was able to seal off city 3 times larger than LA the next day. They did create two 1000 bed hospital is literally a weekend from scratch. At this point, virus DNA was already analyzed and possible medicine already underway testing. BioArxiv had over 30 papers posted by this date mostly from Chinese scientists. In most other countries, I think such speedy research funding, rapid construction and drastic measures would have been challenged in courts or would have been far slower passing through the long chains of approvals or simply delayed due to critics from political oppositions.
- addicted 7y ago
  I mean, the big knock against China would be the initial secrecy which prevented earlier discovery of the virus. Of course, the US especially can’t complain about that now that they are actively suppressing news about the virus even after we know it’s a real virus and that it’s here.
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if this gets bad enough in the 'western' world maybe the Chinese could spin the narrative into "look how well we were able to control it in the place it started" time will tell...

hangonhn 7y ago

It has already happened. My parents live in China and my mom was raving about how quickly they built that hospital in Wuhan and what a great leader they have. I told her Stanford is a really great hospital. shrug

lawnchair_larry 7y ago
Opinions on how well they’re handling things aside, I must say, I was pretty impressed with how quickly they built that hospital. We could never do that in the US.
- magicsmoke 7y ago
  Not surprising considering how much practice China has building out their country's infrastructure over the past few decades. The US back in the 1900s was also handling some of the largest and most advanced civil engineering projects of the time. But after all the obvious improvements are done and demand for infrastructure dried up the US forgot how to do civil engineering like that after a few decades. In 50 years we'll probably be admiring the civil engineering in Nigeria while complaining about the outdated infrastructure in China. Countries at different stages of development are good at different things.
- rcpt 7y ago
  Critical infrastructure to slow a deadly pandemic?? Not in MY backyard!
  - kevdragon6 7y ago
    https://www.ocregister.com/2020/02/22/why-here-costa-mesa-oc-officials-question-feds-plan-for-coronavirus-quarantine-site/ https://www.ocregister.com/2020/02/22/why-here-costa-mesa-oc...
- easytiger 7y ago
  It's not a hospital
lonnyk 7y ago
Is there any accuracy to my belief that China caused this by arresting the doctors who were talking about this instead of investigating it? If so, are people in China aware of this? Do they see it as an issue?
- netheril96 7y ago
  Yes we do. But given how other countries are reacting to COVID19 after so many deaths “it is just the flu”, I imagine this thing would have played out the same if the doctor were not arrested.
- lqs469 7y ago
  Actually yes, the incident has had an unprecedented impact on the Internet. People have sharply criticized the actions of the Wuhan government and supported the doctor, and the central government has demanded an explanation from them. Finally, the Wuhan government also apologized. The whole incident is a lesson for China. If you want to know if people are aware of this or still be insensitive. I haven't done scientific statistics, but my 80 yr grandma told me that this doctor is a great man, we need to speak for him, and the government should apologize for it.
netheril96 7y ago
COVID19 overloads medical systems. It doesn’t matter how great Stanford hospital is when it is out of capacity.

sytelus 7y ago

I think China has indeed handled it really well and I doubt if many other countries would have been so effective. On Dec 31, the first case reported and the virus didn't even have a name. The first death didn't even occur until Jan 10. By Jan 22, the death toll was still under 20 and China was able to seal off city 3 times larger than LA the next day. They did create two 1000 bed hospital is literally a weekend from scratch. At this point, virus DNA was already analyzed and possible medicine already underway testing. BioArxiv had over 30 papers posted by this date mostly from Chinese scientists. In most other countries, I think such speedy research funding, rapid construction and drastic measures would have been challenged in courts or would have been far slower passing through the long chains of approvals or simply delayed due to critics from political oppositions.

addicted 7y ago
I mean, the big knock against China would be the initial secrecy which prevented earlier discovery of the virus. Of course, the US especially can’t complain about that now that they are actively suppressing news about the virus even after we know it’s a real virus and that it’s here.
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