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To the best of my knowledge (and not trying my to incite panic), there are only 200 test kits in the entire state of CA. The official numbers are meaningless g

To the best of my knowledge (and not trying my to incite panic), there are only 200 test kits in the entire state of CA. The official numbers are meaningless given the inability to actually test. Why do you believe the US will be able to quarantine the entire Bay Area?

altcognito 7y ago
There are no concentrations of flu and respiratory problems according to hospital case managers. Clusters aren’t likely to stay hidden for very long, even without kits. I don’t think the goal is to quarantine entire regions, just to slow it down by limiting groups of people in affected areas.
- xiphias2 7y ago
  Of course not. Did you see the article of a person being billed $3000 for a coronavirus test? Testing it should be free (based on symptoms) if US wants to stop the disease from spreading.
  - _bxg1 7y ago
    One of the joys of lacking a real healthcare system
- Terretta 7y ago
  On the question of use of tests, and detection in individuals much less clusters, this note is from /r/AskNYC this evening: Hello, Just giving a heads up to what I and my doctor both considered a very fucked up situation. I just spent a week in Japan, a country at high risk for COVID-19. I wore a mask and essentially tried to stay away from most touristy places (not my first time there), but trains and stations are still packed with people, so there's really not much you can do. On arriving back to America (3 days ago), I developed a 102F fever, coughing, and aches. I went to a local hospital in Brooklyn's ER. I informed them of my travel, they provided me a mask, and redirected me to a private room and followed infection protocols (full face covers, gloves, aprons, etc.). I had a chest x-ray and testing for flu/cold/pneumonia/and about 25 other viruses. They all came back negative. At this point, the hospital called the CDC requesting permission to perform the COVID-19 testing. The CDC denied the request on the ground that I did not have the most life-threatening symptoms: chest pain and shortness of breath. According to everything I read it's very likely not to have these symptoms if you're in your 30's and relatively healthy. And... that was that. They discharged me, said I don't have Corona virus, since they didn't test me for it, and said I can ride the subway, return to work, do whatever I want. Of course my doctor disagreed. She said I should treat myself as if I am infected. My partner is currently staying in a nearby hotel since we live in a studio apartment. I've performed a self-quarantine for 14 days. Fortunately I can work from home and my partner can deliver me groceries if I run out. But I don't think that many people are aware of the fact that they're actively not testing people for COVID-19, even people who have travel history to high-risk places. Do I still have symptoms? Yes, Fever is current 101.6 (as of a couple hours ago), aches, and a cough that is persistent. I'm taking Tylenol and drinking a lot of water. Do I just have the flu? Well, not according to my screens I don't. Is this real? It's as real as I said it is. I returned from Japan. I'm sick. The symptoms are similar to COVID19 and I was refused testing. You can believe whatever you want, I don't care. A channel NY1 reporter reached out to connect with the individual, so perhaps if validated, it won’t “stay hidden very long”. And to your point, it’s not a cluster. But how would you have a cluster if each given patient is handled this way? The individual case is less interesting than the protocol. EDIT: Now reported by media: https://abc7ny.com/5974999/ https://abc7ny.com/5974999/
  - thepangolino 7y ago
    What would the point be of getting tested for COVID-19 if you already show the heaviest symptoms? You’d be getting treatment anyway.
    - dx034 7y ago
      You'd want to make a list of all contacts of the last days to test and quarantine those as well if they show symptoms of any kind. At least that's what other countries do.
greglindahl 7y ago
We have Roche, Stanford can make kits from stock, etc. The new community case in El Camino hospital was tested locally and quickly. That’s 7.0 miles from where I am, so of course I’m concerned.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  Similar situation here. Nearest confirmed case is about 10 km from here, so I'm assuming that it is here already in one or more people.

altcognito 7y ago

There are no concentrations of flu and respiratory problems according to hospital case managers. Clusters aren’t likely to stay hidden for very long, even without kits. I don’t think the goal is to quarantine entire regions, just to slow it down by limiting groups of people in affected areas.

xiphias2 7y ago
Of course not. Did you see the article of a person being billed $3000 for a coronavirus test? Testing it should be free (based on symptoms) if US wants to stop the disease from spreading.
- _bxg1 7y ago
  One of the joys of lacking a real healthcare system
Terretta 7y ago
On the question of use of tests, and detection in individuals much less clusters, this note is from /r/AskNYC this evening: Hello, Just giving a heads up to what I and my doctor both considered a very fucked up situation. I just spent a week in Japan, a country at high risk for COVID-19. I wore a mask and essentially tried to stay away from most touristy places (not my first time there), but trains and stations are still packed with people, so there's really not much you can do. On arriving back to America (3 days ago), I developed a 102F fever, coughing, and aches. I went to a local hospital in Brooklyn's ER. I informed them of my travel, they provided me a mask, and redirected me to a private room and followed infection protocols (full face covers, gloves, aprons, etc.). I had a chest x-ray and testing for flu/cold/pneumonia/and about 25 other viruses. They all came back negative. At this point, the hospital called the CDC requesting permission to perform the COVID-19 testing. The CDC denied the request on the ground that I did not have the most life-threatening symptoms: chest pain and shortness of breath. According to everything I read it's very likely not to have these symptoms if you're in your 30's and relatively healthy. And... that was that. They discharged me, said I don't have Corona virus, since they didn't test me for it, and said I can ride the subway, return to work, do whatever I want. Of course my doctor disagreed. She said I should treat myself as if I am infected. My partner is currently staying in a nearby hotel since we live in a studio apartment. I've performed a self-quarantine for 14 days. Fortunately I can work from home and my partner can deliver me groceries if I run out. But I don't think that many people are aware of the fact that they're actively not testing people for COVID-19, even people who have travel history to high-risk places. Do I still have symptoms? Yes, Fever is current 101.6 (as of a couple hours ago), aches, and a cough that is persistent. I'm taking Tylenol and drinking a lot of water. Do I just have the flu? Well, not according to my screens I don't. Is this real? It's as real as I said it is. I returned from Japan. I'm sick. The symptoms are similar to COVID19 and I was refused testing. You can believe whatever you want, I don't care. A channel NY1 reporter reached out to connect with the individual, so perhaps if validated, it won’t “stay hidden very long”. And to your point, it’s not a cluster. But how would you have a cluster if each given patient is handled this way? The individual case is less interesting than the protocol. EDIT: Now reported by media: https://abc7ny.com/5974999/ https://abc7ny.com/5974999/
- thepangolino 7y ago
  What would the point be of getting tested for COVID-19 if you already show the heaviest symptoms? You’d be getting treatment anyway.
  - dx034 7y ago
    You'd want to make a list of all contacts of the last days to test and quarantine those as well if they show symptoms of any kind. At least that's what other countries do.

greglindahl 7y ago

We have Roche, Stanford can make kits from stock, etc. The new community case in El Camino hospital was tested locally and quickly. That’s 7.0 miles from where I am, so of course I’m concerned.

jacquesm 7y ago
Similar situation here. Nearest confirmed case is about 10 km from here, so I'm assuming that it is here already in one or more people.