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I wish there was an app that allowed me to charge all these data companies for use of my data directly. The app would pop up when I was signing up for any serv

by erikig 7y ago

I wish there was an app that allowed me to charge all these data companies for use of my data directly. The app would pop up when I was signing up for any service and let me know which of my data the service be using and give me a price per month. I would then gladly share it and collect my pennies per day or opt-out and get degraded service or no service at all.

ravenstine 7y ago
> I would then gladly share it and collect my pennies per day or opt-out and get degraded service or no service at all. The latter part sounds awful. Why would that be acceptable? Do you mean that your selling to them your data would be in place of paying a service charge?
fooker 7y ago
This is how this might look like: Gmail - 200$ per year. Gmail-freemium - 0$ per year.
- RileyJames 7y ago
  Isn’t that basically what it’s like already? You can have free gmail, consumer edition. With ads, no privacy, etc. Or G Suite. Which includes gmail, docs, calendar, etc, for $6~ (I’m seeing $7.80 CAD) Per month. Making it about half the $200 you quoted, but none the less, possible.
  - na85 7y ago
    Seems to me that 200 dollars is what Google owes me for the privilege of selling my data to advertisers.
    - harumph 7y ago
      Think about that the next time you train their self driving cars via reCaptcha.
    - ElFitz 7y ago
      I don't work at Google, I might be wrong, and I strongly dislike the company. But from what I've gathered they're on my "lesser evil" side of the data-gathering game, in that they don't appear to actually sell it. My understanding is that what they actually sell is their ability to serve and target advertisers' ads, using the massive amounts of data they gather by violating their users' privacy. Unlike these ISPs, who just sell the data itself, or Facebook who just gave it away for free for years.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - SquareWheel 7y ago
        You're correct. They have never sold information as the parent commenter is claiming.
- remarkEon 7y ago
  ~$17 a month seems kinda steep, but I would definitely pay something to have a fresh, ad and tracking free, fully private suite of these products with a guarantee that I'm not being spied on.
  - modeless 7y ago
    G Suite costs $6 per month. "G Suite customers own their data, not Google. The data that G Suite organizations and users put into our systems is theirs, and we do not scan it for advertisements nor sell it to third parties." "There is no advertising in the G Suite Core Services, and we have no plans to change this in the future. Google does not collect, scan or use data in G Suite Core Services for advertising purposes." https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-whitepaper/page-6.html https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-white...
    - beatgammit 7y ago
      I wanted proof, not promises. I want to know the they cannot scan my data if I pay, not that they promise not to. That's why I'm so interested in projects like ProtonMail and Bitwarden. I want E2E encrypted versions of everything, and I'm willing to pay for it.
      - gonesilent 7y ago
        Yes, do no evil is gone.
three_seagrass 7y ago
Honestly, you'd make something like $0.04 total. If you're in the market for buying a home with a 30-yr mortgage, then you'd be able to sell your information for $0.08 It's only valuable at scale for these large companies.

by erikig 7y ago

ravenstine 7y ago

> I would then gladly share it and collect my pennies per day or opt-out and get degraded service or no service at all. The latter part sounds awful. Why would that be acceptable? Do you mean that your selling to them your data would be in place of paying a service charge?

fooker 7y ago

This is how this might look like: Gmail - 200$ per year. Gmail-freemium - 0$ per year.

RileyJames 7y ago
Isn’t that basically what it’s like already? You can have free gmail, consumer edition. With ads, no privacy, etc. Or G Suite. Which includes gmail, docs, calendar, etc, for $6~ (I’m seeing $7.80 CAD) Per month. Making it about half the $200 you quoted, but none the less, possible.
- na85 7y ago
  Seems to me that 200 dollars is what Google owes me for the privilege of selling my data to advertisers.
  - harumph 7y ago
    Think about that the next time you train their self driving cars via reCaptcha.
  - ElFitz 7y ago
    I don't work at Google, I might be wrong, and I strongly dislike the company. But from what I've gathered they're on my "lesser evil" side of the data-gathering game, in that they don't appear to actually sell it. My understanding is that what they actually sell is their ability to serve and target advertisers' ads, using the massive amounts of data they gather by violating their users' privacy. Unlike these ISPs, who just sell the data itself, or Facebook who just gave it away for free for years.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - SquareWheel 7y ago
      You're correct. They have never sold information as the parent commenter is claiming.
remarkEon 7y ago
~$17 a month seems kinda steep, but I would definitely pay something to have a fresh, ad and tracking free, fully private suite of these products with a guarantee that I'm not being spied on.
- modeless 7y ago
  G Suite costs $6 per month. "G Suite customers own their data, not Google. The data that G Suite organizations and users put into our systems is theirs, and we do not scan it for advertisements nor sell it to third parties." "There is no advertising in the G Suite Core Services, and we have no plans to change this in the future. Google does not collect, scan or use data in G Suite Core Services for advertising purposes." https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-whitepaper/page-6.html https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-white...
  - beatgammit 7y ago
    I wanted proof, not promises. I want to know the they cannot scan my data if I pay, not that they promise not to. That's why I'm so interested in projects like ProtonMail and Bitwarden. I want E2E encrypted versions of everything, and I'm willing to pay for it.
    - gonesilent 7y ago
      Yes, do no evil is gone.

three_seagrass 7y ago

Honestly, you'd make something like $0.04 total. If you're in the market for buying a home with a 30-yr mortgage, then you'd be able to sell your information for $0.08 It's only valuable at scale for these large companies.