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Ah yes, after years of trying to convince drunk people to stop getting in their cars and driving home let's now kick them off of public transit.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago
In truth, drunk people need to be at home and not in public. Public drunkenness is the violation, compounded by driving. Adding public transit is not at all unreasonable. Nobody has the 'right' to be a slobbering mess-making drunk in public. At all.
- nucleardog 7y ago
  Yes, Ignoring that trying to convince the entirety of society to never drink again at social gatherings (even in your "drunk at home" ideal unless people exclusively drink alone and never at other people's homes they will still need a way to get home) is a complete non-starter based on the last 9,000-odd years of human society and interaction. Ignoring that removing all public consumption of alcohol from bars, restaurants, sports events, and basically everywhere else would have a huge knock-on effects for all sorts of areas of the economy. Ignoring that many people are able to drink the 2-3 beer that makes it illegal for them to drive without becoming a "slobbering mess-making drunk". Ignoring all the thousand other anti-social things people do on transit and in public that makes life miserable most places. Your idea makes sense and will solve your annoyance without thousands of people dying every year.
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    Strawman. Jumping straight from 'don't be a slobbering drunk in public' to 'never drink again at social gatherings' is the usual alcoholic response to any suggestion that they may be doing anything wrong. It's disingenuous to attack me - after all the 'public drunkenness' violation was voted into law, and not just by me personally.
- hoopleheaded 7y ago
  In Nevada there is basically a constitutional right to be drunk in public. The state constitution bans local municipalities from enacting laws against public drunkenness. Up for argument as to whether that is a good idea or not but interesting nonetheless.
vortico 7y ago
If you think my comment implies that drunk people should be banned from public transit, you are very wrong. My comment is about an ideal world where everyone has virtues, not about regulation in an imperfect world.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago

In truth, drunk people need to be at home and not in public. Public drunkenness is the violation, compounded by driving. Adding public transit is not at all unreasonable. Nobody has the 'right' to be a slobbering mess-making drunk in public. At all.

nucleardog 7y ago
Yes, Ignoring that trying to convince the entirety of society to never drink again at social gatherings (even in your "drunk at home" ideal unless people exclusively drink alone and never at other people's homes they will still need a way to get home) is a complete non-starter based on the last 9,000-odd years of human society and interaction. Ignoring that removing all public consumption of alcohol from bars, restaurants, sports events, and basically everywhere else would have a huge knock-on effects for all sorts of areas of the economy. Ignoring that many people are able to drink the 2-3 beer that makes it illegal for them to drive without becoming a "slobbering mess-making drunk". Ignoring all the thousand other anti-social things people do on transit and in public that makes life miserable most places. Your idea makes sense and will solve your annoyance without thousands of people dying every year.
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  Strawman. Jumping straight from 'don't be a slobbering drunk in public' to 'never drink again at social gatherings' is the usual alcoholic response to any suggestion that they may be doing anything wrong. It's disingenuous to attack me - after all the 'public drunkenness' violation was voted into law, and not just by me personally.
hoopleheaded 7y ago
In Nevada there is basically a constitutional right to be drunk in public. The state constitution bans local municipalities from enacting laws against public drunkenness. Up for argument as to whether that is a good idea or not but interesting nonetheless.

vortico 7y ago

If you think my comment implies that drunk people should be banned from public transit, you are very wrong. My comment is about an ideal world where everyone has virtues, not about regulation in an imperfect world.