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It's like quarantine. You might think you're smart enough to wear the right gear and behave the right way to keep others safe, but because some people are irres

It's like quarantine. You might think you're smart enough to wear the right gear and behave the right way to keep others safe, but because some people are irresponsible or don't know how to behave, we enforce the rule on everyone, to keep everyone safe. When we realize that many exploits can mean that devices get co-opted by bad actors to serve some rather nefarious purposes, we have to do more than "trust that the user will be smart" in order to suppress dangerous or economically destructive criminal uses of these devices More and more I realize that it's not our strategies that I dislike, it's how incompetent and error-prone users actually are. If we were perfect users, none of this would be required.

arsome 7y ago
With quarantine you're preventing the spread of disease which is a general harm to others, with this you're preventing the spread of... your own 2FA codes, which only hurts yourself, if that. Sorry, but I don't think this analogy works. I should have every right to harm myself in any way I see fit. My hardware, my accounts, my control. Preventing accessibility "abuse" does nothing to stop malicious apps from attacking other devices but does a lot to harm accessibility and advanced user features.
izacus 7y ago
Quarantine is actually an apt metaphore here. Apple wants you to stay in the quarantine for the rest of your life because when outside you might ignore the red light and get killed on the road crossing. Or die from other millions of dangerous sources. But staying in a single apartment for the whole life is not healthy for most people or society. Modern computing grew because people were able to build and experiment on things way beyond what the original manufacturers of hardware envisioned. Even if that gave some people Windows viruses.
- criley2 7y ago
  I understand the "old days" idealism of hacking things in the 80s, but there weren't million computer botnets conducting massive criminal attacks on banks and governments in the 80s. It's a different era. It's like saying "quarantine is pointless in my rural village of 29 people, so therefore it's also pointless in my city of nine million"

arsome 7y ago

With quarantine you're preventing the spread of disease which is a general harm to others, with this you're preventing the spread of... your own 2FA codes, which only hurts yourself, if that. Sorry, but I don't think this analogy works. I should have every right to harm myself in any way I see fit. My hardware, my accounts, my control. Preventing accessibility "abuse" does nothing to stop malicious apps from attacking other devices but does a lot to harm accessibility and advanced user features.

izacus 7y ago

Quarantine is actually an apt metaphore here. Apple wants you to stay in the quarantine for the rest of your life because when outside you might ignore the red light and get killed on the road crossing. Or die from other millions of dangerous sources. But staying in a single apartment for the whole life is not healthy for most people or society. Modern computing grew because people were able to build and experiment on things way beyond what the original manufacturers of hardware envisioned. Even if that gave some people Windows viruses.

criley2 7y ago
I understand the "old days" idealism of hacking things in the 80s, but there weren't million computer botnets conducting massive criminal attacks on banks and governments in the 80s. It's a different era. It's like saying "quarantine is pointless in my rural village of 29 people, so therefore it's also pointless in my city of nine million"