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> Same if you were homeless. I wouldn't hire a homeless barista that will turn off customers. To be clear, I currently have a shower, mattress, access to a was

> Same if you were homeless. I wouldn't hire a homeless barista that will turn off customers. To be clear, I currently have a shower, mattress, access to a washing machine, etc etc. Living in squats is pretty ok, police repression aside. I don't look like... whatever you're guessing, and nobody I'm applying to knows I don't have a permanent legal residence. Hairdressing is a ridiculously qualified job in the UK, I have no idea what you're talking about. People go to vocational school to learn it.

pinkfoot 7y ago
> nobody I'm applying to knows I don't have a permanent legal residence. Er how do you get past "meldung" then. When I last had the pleasure of experiencing the dutch job market, the Vreemdelingenpolitie (lit. foreigner police) and the myriad other amptenare (term of affection for govt officals) made it impossible to not have a verified, permanent address.
- vertex-four 7y ago
  So under EU law, Governments can't prevent you from seeking work even if you don't have a permanent home. This was found through the court system when the UK tried to remove people sleeping rough who were trying to find work, under their "hostile environment" policy.
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    Then why is it a factor for you when applying for a job?
csomar 7y ago
> Living in squats is pretty ok I think I misunderstood that from your original post. Do you mean you are squatting someone else property? If that's the case, I feel sorry for myself spending all this time writing these responses...
- cryptica 7y ago
  Squatting is fine. Land should belong to the public anyway, just like the air we breathe.
  - blacksmith_tb 7y ago
    Not to defend capitalism (and especially landlords) too much, but buildings are not just 'land' - free land wouldn't get you squats, but tents...
- mustacheemperor 7y ago
  I hope sometime in the next week you have the time to evaluate this conversation from an alternate perspective - even to just "cosplay" that perspective, not to try and adapt it permanently - and understand why your comments can come across as extremely out of touch. >For example, become a hairdresser. >I wouldn't hire you if you looked homeless...You don't look homeless because you're showering as a squatter? I wish I hadn't given you any advice at all. Empathy is not a constrained resources. It's one of the only things humans can generate in infinite supply, and that's worth taking advantage of. Also, it seems to me OP was not saying they can't get benefits in the UK because the system is too complicated. They said the system was complicated before summarizing the complexity by explaining that without work they will lose benefits, and they are concerned they won't be able to find work. It seems disingenuous to me to read into that as OP saying they can't figure out how to get benefits.
  - csomar 7y ago
    > For example, become a hairdresser. I didn't suggest that. I did suggest that he/she works for a hairdresser. (probably doing errands around). > I wouldn't hire you if you looked homeless Not for a customer facing job. For some businesses, that would destroy the business. That's why I suggest that he/she starts with jobs that do not care too much about your current status. > Empathy is not a constrained resources. I have a hard time giving empathy to someone who doesn't have it. By squatting other people property, you might be risking putting these people out of their homes (maybe they are looking to rent it and are paying a mortgage/loan). Not all properties are hold by rich people and closed to make people on the streets. Some of these are by normal hardworking people and that's all they have (or maybe less if they are borrowing money).
dfsegoat 7y ago
> Hairdressing is a ridiculously qualified job in the UK..People go to vocational school to learn it. Can confirm. It is actually a very technical and regulated field, despite what many people think - myself included before i met my wife. For instance, you need to know the risks of all the chemicals used, and infection vectors, etc. etc. and prove that you know it all in a licensing exam (both written and practical). (Source: Married to a licensed hairdresser)

pinkfoot 7y ago

> nobody I'm applying to knows I don't have a permanent legal residence. Er how do you get past "meldung" then. When I last had the pleasure of experiencing the dutch job market, the Vreemdelingenpolitie (lit. foreigner police) and the myriad other amptenare (term of affection for govt officals) made it impossible to not have a verified, permanent address.

vertex-four 7y ago
So under EU law, Governments can't prevent you from seeking work even if you don't have a permanent home. This was found through the court system when the UK tried to remove people sleeping rough who were trying to find work, under their "hostile environment" policy.
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  Then why is it a factor for you when applying for a job?

csomar 7y ago

> Living in squats is pretty ok I think I misunderstood that from your original post. Do you mean you are squatting someone else property? If that's the case, I feel sorry for myself spending all this time writing these responses...

cryptica 7y ago
Squatting is fine. Land should belong to the public anyway, just like the air we breathe.
- blacksmith_tb 7y ago
  Not to defend capitalism (and especially landlords) too much, but buildings are not just 'land' - free land wouldn't get you squats, but tents...
mustacheemperor 7y ago
I hope sometime in the next week you have the time to evaluate this conversation from an alternate perspective - even to just "cosplay" that perspective, not to try and adapt it permanently - and understand why your comments can come across as extremely out of touch. >For example, become a hairdresser. >I wouldn't hire you if you looked homeless...You don't look homeless because you're showering as a squatter? I wish I hadn't given you any advice at all. Empathy is not a constrained resources. It's one of the only things humans can generate in infinite supply, and that's worth taking advantage of. Also, it seems to me OP was not saying they can't get benefits in the UK because the system is too complicated. They said the system was complicated before summarizing the complexity by explaining that without work they will lose benefits, and they are concerned they won't be able to find work. It seems disingenuous to me to read into that as OP saying they can't figure out how to get benefits.
- csomar 7y ago
  > For example, become a hairdresser. I didn't suggest that. I did suggest that he/she works for a hairdresser. (probably doing errands around). > I wouldn't hire you if you looked homeless Not for a customer facing job. For some businesses, that would destroy the business. That's why I suggest that he/she starts with jobs that do not care too much about your current status. > Empathy is not a constrained resources. I have a hard time giving empathy to someone who doesn't have it. By squatting other people property, you might be risking putting these people out of their homes (maybe they are looking to rent it and are paying a mortgage/loan). Not all properties are hold by rich people and closed to make people on the streets. Some of these are by normal hardworking people and that's all they have (or maybe less if they are borrowing money).

dfsegoat 7y ago

> Hairdressing is a ridiculously qualified job in the UK..People go to vocational school to learn it. Can confirm. It is actually a very technical and regulated field, despite what many people think - myself included before i met my wife. For instance, you need to know the risks of all the chemicals used, and infection vectors, etc. etc. and prove that you know it all in a licensing exam (both written and practical). (Source: Married to a licensed hairdresser)