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The Netherlands has a generous social system that I can't access because I'm not actually from here. It happens to be the last place I was in when I was told I

The Netherlands has a generous social system that I can't access because I'm not actually from here. It happens to be the last place I was in when I was told I didn't have a home or money any more. Going "home" is kinda pointless - there's not actually any support in the UK for people like me, so I'd be sleeping rough there quickly anyway.

csomar 7y ago
> The Netherlands has a generous social system that I can't access because I'm not actually from here. Then any reason why you are there? Are you allowed to legally work in the Netherlands. > there's not actually any support in the UK for people like me I'm pretty sure there is. 2/3 of British families receive some kind of benefits in Britain. You might have to ask for it. I also suspect there is more to this story (like do you have something serious in your records). I'd go to the British Embassy, ask them to get me to the UK, present myself to the government and ask for any help. Then proceed to the plan outlined previously. Heck, I'm from Tunisia, an almost non-functional and bankrupt country and the government does have some benefits (like food, basic medical care) for the really in need.
- vertex-four 7y ago
  > Then any reason why you are there? Are you allowed to legally work in the Netherlands. I am. > I'm pretty sure there is. There's a very complicated system, but tl;dr being unable to find work would cause me to lose benefits and be left without a home. I don't trust that I would be able to find a job, so I would prefer to keep a roof over my head for now. To add to the mess, I'm trans, which means companies (even big ones) will not put me in a position where customers might possibly see me, or where they might wind up with another coworker causing an HR incident, which means an awful lot of traditional jobs for people without qualifications are out. I've had this said to my face in the UK, and I've had interviewers in the UK visibly disappointed when they saw me.
  - csomar 7y ago
    > There's a very complicated system Navigate that system. People with much lower IQ are relying on it, you should be able to do that too. > I'm trans, which means companies (even big ones) will not put me in a position where customers might possibly see me, Same if you were homeless. I wouldn't hire a homeless barista that will turn off customers. > I've had interviewers in the UK visibly disappointed when they saw me Find places that are gay-trans friendly. Even where I live such jobs exist and are valued (ie: a woman hair dresser will prefer hiring a trans-gay as straight guys might put off customers, etc...)
    - vertex-four 7y ago
      > Same if you were homeless. I wouldn't hire a homeless barista that will turn off customers. To be clear, I currently have a shower, mattress, access to a washing machine, etc etc. Living in squats is pretty ok, police repression aside. I don't look like... whatever you're guessing, and nobody I'm applying to knows I don't have a permanent legal residence. Hairdressing is a ridiculously qualified job in the UK, I have no idea what you're talking about. People go to vocational school to learn it.
      - pinkfoot 7y ago
        > nobody I'm applying to knows I don't have a permanent legal residence. Er how do you get past "meldung" then. When I last had the pleasure of experiencing the dutch job market, the Vreemdelingenpolitie (lit. foreigner police) and the myriad other amptenare (term of affection for govt officals) made it impossible to not have a verified, permanent address.
        vertex-four 7y ago
        So under EU law, Governments can't prevent you from seeking work even if you don't have a permanent home. This was found through the court system when the UK tried to remove people sleeping rough who were trying to find work, under their "hostile environment" policy.
- rjsw 7y ago
  > 2/3 of British families receive some kind of benefits in Britain. The key part of that is "families", single people don't get nearly as much support.
nisa 7y ago
This reads like as a eu-citizen you get support: https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/work-income/apply-for-benefit/ https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/work-income/apply-for-benefit/ (should be similiar for other cities) - there is brexit but there is a transition period until the end of 2020: https://www.government.nl/topics/brexit/question-and-answer/will-i-still-receive-dutch-social-security-benefits-after-brexit https://www.government.nl/topics/brexit/question-and-answer/... I would suggest to look for organisations that support you while dealing with the paper stuff but from a quick glance this might be useful (at least health insurance, monthly money, maybe access to some kind of paid training program that fit's your needs).
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csomar 7y ago

> The Netherlands has a generous social system that I can't access because I'm not actually from here. Then any reason why you are there? Are you allowed to legally work in the Netherlands. > there's not actually any support in the UK for people like me I'm pretty sure there is. 2/3 of British families receive some kind of benefits in Britain. You might have to ask for it. I also suspect there is more to this story (like do you have something serious in your records). I'd go to the British Embassy, ask them to get me to the UK, present myself to the government and ask for any help. Then proceed to the plan outlined previously. Heck, I'm from Tunisia, an almost non-functional and bankrupt country and the government does have some benefits (like food, basic medical care) for the really in need.

vertex-four 7y ago
> Then any reason why you are there? Are you allowed to legally work in the Netherlands. I am. > I'm pretty sure there is. There's a very complicated system, but tl;dr being unable to find work would cause me to lose benefits and be left without a home. I don't trust that I would be able to find a job, so I would prefer to keep a roof over my head for now. To add to the mess, I'm trans, which means companies (even big ones) will not put me in a position where customers might possibly see me, or where they might wind up with another coworker causing an HR incident, which means an awful lot of traditional jobs for people without qualifications are out. I've had this said to my face in the UK, and I've had interviewers in the UK visibly disappointed when they saw me.
- csomar 7y ago
  > There's a very complicated system Navigate that system. People with much lower IQ are relying on it, you should be able to do that too. > I'm trans, which means companies (even big ones) will not put me in a position where customers might possibly see me, Same if you were homeless. I wouldn't hire a homeless barista that will turn off customers. > I've had interviewers in the UK visibly disappointed when they saw me Find places that are gay-trans friendly. Even where I live such jobs exist and are valued (ie: a woman hair dresser will prefer hiring a trans-gay as straight guys might put off customers, etc...)
  - vertex-four 7y ago
    > Same if you were homeless. I wouldn't hire a homeless barista that will turn off customers. To be clear, I currently have a shower, mattress, access to a washing machine, etc etc. Living in squats is pretty ok, police repression aside. I don't look like... whatever you're guessing, and nobody I'm applying to knows I don't have a permanent legal residence. Hairdressing is a ridiculously qualified job in the UK, I have no idea what you're talking about. People go to vocational school to learn it.
    - pinkfoot 7y ago
      > nobody I'm applying to knows I don't have a permanent legal residence. Er how do you get past "meldung" then. When I last had the pleasure of experiencing the dutch job market, the Vreemdelingenpolitie (lit. foreigner police) and the myriad other amptenare (term of affection for govt officals) made it impossible to not have a verified, permanent address.
      - vertex-four 7y ago
        So under EU law, Governments can't prevent you from seeking work even if you don't have a permanent home. This was found through the court system when the UK tried to remove people sleeping rough who were trying to find work, under their "hostile environment" policy.
rjsw 7y ago
> 2/3 of British families receive some kind of benefits in Britain. The key part of that is "families", single people don't get nearly as much support.

nisa 7y ago

This reads like as a eu-citizen you get support: https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/work-income/apply-for-benefit/ https://www.amsterdam.nl/en/work-income/apply-for-benefit/ (should be similiar for other cities) - there is brexit but there is a transition period until the end of 2020: https://www.government.nl/topics/brexit/question-and-answer/will-i-still-receive-dutch-social-security-benefits-after-brexit https://www.government.nl/topics/brexit/question-and-answer/... I would suggest to look for organisations that support you while dealing with the paper stuff but from a quick glance this might be useful (at least health insurance, monthly money, maybe access to some kind of paid training program that fit's your needs).

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