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Ha! It does not work however, as a person's sexual preference is a fact, and a statement that either guesses or spits out all recognized variants is not a sourc

Ha! It does not work however, as a person's sexual preference is a fact, and a statement that either guesses or spits out all recognized variants is not a source of factual information -- no-one is any the wiser afterwards than before.

jameshart 7y ago
On the other hand if you offered it up as a fact with reckless disregard for its truthfulness... Again we see programmers trying to understand the law in terms of ‘how can a piece of data be illegal?’ while the law is quite happily focusing on making specific actions illegal. ‘You can’t arrest me, gold bars aren’t illegal!’ ‘Yes, but carrying them out of the federal reserve vault without permission is.’
- ajuc 7y ago
  "I invented this later but independently" isn't a valid defense, even if you can prove it. So it's not actions (like copying or plagiarism) that is prohibited, it's the result. That's the problem with IP law. In effect you give people monopoly on numbers. When the numbers are big nobody is bothered by this, because chance of arriving at the exact same one is effectively zero. But for songs the numbers are pretty small (depending on the encoding used to compare the songs), and the absurdity is evident.
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    s/song/music/ i.e. sans lyrics
  - wool_gather 7y ago
    That's not correct in the case of copyright. Independent invention can be used as a defense to a copyright infringement claim. > Generally, a plaintiff proves copying through circumstantial evidence, showing that the defendant had access to the copyrighted work [...] > > [...] unlike in patent law, if a defendant independently creates the substantially similar work, he is not liable to the copyright holder. https://www.finnegan.com/en/insights/copying-copyright-s-willful-infringement-standard-a-comparison.html https://www.finnegan.com/en/insights/copying-copyright-s-wil...

jameshart 7y ago

On the other hand if you offered it up as a fact with reckless disregard for its truthfulness... Again we see programmers trying to understand the law in terms of ‘how can a piece of data be illegal?’ while the law is quite happily focusing on making specific actions illegal. ‘You can’t arrest me, gold bars aren’t illegal!’ ‘Yes, but carrying them out of the federal reserve vault without permission is.’

ajuc 7y ago
"I invented this later but independently" isn't a valid defense, even if you can prove it. So it's not actions (like copying or plagiarism) that is prohibited, it's the result. That's the problem with IP law. In effect you give people monopoly on numbers. When the numbers are big nobody is bothered by this, because chance of arriving at the exact same one is effectively zero. But for songs the numbers are pretty small (depending on the encoding used to compare the songs), and the absurdity is evident.
- paulddraper 7y ago
  s/song/music/ i.e. sans lyrics
- wool_gather 7y ago
  That's not correct in the case of copyright. Independent invention can be used as a defense to a copyright infringement claim. > Generally, a plaintiff proves copying through circumstantial evidence, showing that the defendant had access to the copyrighted work [...] > > [...] unlike in patent law, if a defendant independently creates the substantially similar work, he is not liable to the copyright holder. https://www.finnegan.com/en/insights/copying-copyright-s-willful-infringement-standard-a-comparison.html https://www.finnegan.com/en/insights/copying-copyright-s-wil...