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In my personal ideal world, this would be a great idea! Passengers on best behavior, no food/drink, no being drunk/high on the train, obviously no urination/def

In my personal ideal world, this would be a great idea! Passengers on best behavior, no food/drink, no being drunk/high on the train, obviously no urination/defecation except in restrooms, etc. And if you do make a mess, be responsible by paying for the cleaning. But of course many people are far from my ideal, so we can't have things like this.

Shivetya 7y ago
An idealized world such as that pretty much comes to a crashing end in any medium to large sized company when you experience what pigs you coworkers can be in regards to employee break rooms and even rest rooms. From messes in share refrigerators, microwaves, or counter space, to restrooms issues that make you wonder how often the maintenance people service it each day and when. I am not sure if this is just a US thing but I used to expect better from coworkers.
- vortico 7y ago
  I guess it's just about the virtue of integrity. Even casual house parties attract integrity-less people who will destroy your carpet by bringing food into carpeted rooms and then trampling it over without seemingly noticing. That's why it's good for every human on the planet to have experience with cleaning various things, so they know how much work it is when they make a mess.
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crispyambulance 7y ago
Such a subway already exists, in the capital of North Korea! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hxVWjW4TuM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hxVWjW4TuM I would be happy if municipalities simply cleaned and maintained public spaces like subways. It's possible, but it's a boiling the ocean problem. Homelessness, mental illness, vicious youth, all in a context of ever-decreasing public infrastructure investment and bitter inequality of resources and opportunity-- it doesn't help make for a clean subway system.
eplanit 7y ago
Yes, it requires polite, clean, courteous people -- like in Japan. It is possible, but it depends on the culture.
sterwill 7y ago
I remember the u-bahn in Munich being like this when I visited in 2006-ish. Stations were large, clean, and efficient since ticketing is on an honor system. You just walk down to a platform and board the first train. Trains were clean, relatively comfortable, and quiet. It was an excellent experience the few dozen times I rode it.
lm28469 7y ago
Personal ideal world in which everyone has pristine shoes too. It's already a struggle to keep carpets clean in individual houses after a few years, I can't even imagine in a subway.
- kelnos 7y ago
  I still do not understand how anyone wears shoes while in their (or anyone's) home.
nucleardog 7y ago
Ah yes, after years of trying to convince drunk people to stop getting in their cars and driving home let's now kick them off of public transit.
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  In truth, drunk people need to be at home and not in public. Public drunkenness is the violation, compounded by driving. Adding public transit is not at all unreasonable. Nobody has the 'right' to be a slobbering mess-making drunk in public. At all.
  - nucleardog 7y ago
    Yes, Ignoring that trying to convince the entirety of society to never drink again at social gatherings (even in your "drunk at home" ideal unless people exclusively drink alone and never at other people's homes they will still need a way to get home) is a complete non-starter based on the last 9,000-odd years of human society and interaction. Ignoring that removing all public consumption of alcohol from bars, restaurants, sports events, and basically everywhere else would have a huge knock-on effects for all sorts of areas of the economy. Ignoring that many people are able to drink the 2-3 beer that makes it illegal for them to drive without becoming a "slobbering mess-making drunk". Ignoring all the thousand other anti-social things people do on transit and in public that makes life miserable most places. Your idea makes sense and will solve your annoyance without thousands of people dying every year.
    - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
      Strawman. Jumping straight from 'don't be a slobbering drunk in public' to 'never drink again at social gatherings' is the usual alcoholic response to any suggestion that they may be doing anything wrong. It's disingenuous to attack me - after all the 'public drunkenness' violation was voted into law, and not just by me personally.
  - hoopleheaded 7y ago
    In Nevada there is basically a constitutional right to be drunk in public. The state constitution bans local municipalities from enacting laws against public drunkenness. Up for argument as to whether that is a good idea or not but interesting nonetheless.

Shivetya 7y ago

An idealized world such as that pretty much comes to a crashing end in any medium to large sized company when you experience what pigs you coworkers can be in regards to employee break rooms and even rest rooms. From messes in share refrigerators, microwaves, or counter space, to restrooms issues that make you wonder how often the maintenance people service it each day and when. I am not sure if this is just a US thing but I used to expect better from coworkers.

vortico 7y ago
I guess it's just about the virtue of integrity. Even casual house parties attract integrity-less people who will destroy your carpet by bringing food into carpeted rooms and then trampling it over without seemingly noticing. That's why it's good for every human on the planet to have experience with cleaning various things, so they know how much work it is when they make a mess.
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crispyambulance 7y ago

Such a subway already exists, in the capital of North Korea! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hxVWjW4TuM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hxVWjW4TuM I would be happy if municipalities simply cleaned and maintained public spaces like subways. It's possible, but it's a boiling the ocean problem. Homelessness, mental illness, vicious youth, all in a context of ever-decreasing public infrastructure investment and bitter inequality of resources and opportunity-- it doesn't help make for a clean subway system.

eplanit 7y ago

Yes, it requires polite, clean, courteous people -- like in Japan. It is possible, but it depends on the culture.

sterwill 7y ago

I remember the u-bahn in Munich being like this when I visited in 2006-ish. Stations were large, clean, and efficient since ticketing is on an honor system. You just walk down to a platform and board the first train. Trains were clean, relatively comfortable, and quiet. It was an excellent experience the few dozen times I rode it.

lm28469 7y ago

Personal ideal world in which everyone has pristine shoes too. It's already a struggle to keep carpets clean in individual houses after a few years, I can't even imagine in a subway.

kelnos 7y ago
I still do not understand how anyone wears shoes while in their (or anyone's) home.

nucleardog 7y ago

Ah yes, after years of trying to convince drunk people to stop getting in their cars and driving home let's now kick them off of public transit.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago
In truth, drunk people need to be at home and not in public. Public drunkenness is the violation, compounded by driving. Adding public transit is not at all unreasonable. Nobody has the 'right' to be a slobbering mess-making drunk in public. At all.
- nucleardog 7y ago
  Yes, Ignoring that trying to convince the entirety of society to never drink again at social gatherings (even in your "drunk at home" ideal unless people exclusively drink alone and never at other people's homes they will still need a way to get home) is a complete non-starter based on the last 9,000-odd years of human society and interaction. Ignoring that removing all public consumption of alcohol from bars, restaurants, sports events, and basically everywhere else would have a huge knock-on effects for all sorts of areas of the economy. Ignoring that many people are able to drink the 2-3 beer that makes it illegal for them to drive without becoming a "slobbering mess-making drunk". Ignoring all the thousand other anti-social things people do on transit and in public that makes life miserable most places. Your idea makes sense and will solve your annoyance without thousands of people dying every year.
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    Strawman. Jumping straight from 'don't be a slobbering drunk in public' to 'never drink again at social gatherings' is the usual alcoholic response to any suggestion that they may be doing anything wrong. It's disingenuous to attack me - after all the 'public drunkenness' violation was voted into law, and not just by me personally.
- hoopleheaded 7y ago
  In Nevada there is basically a constitutional right to be drunk in public. The state constitution bans local municipalities from enacting laws against public drunkenness. Up for argument as to whether that is a good idea or not but interesting nonetheless.