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I can't find any mention of technical staff having their salary slashed. The only mention of pay cuts is the one the CEO took. Would you mind sharing a source w

I can't find any mention of technical staff having their salary slashed. The only mention of pay cuts is the one the CEO took. Would you mind sharing a source where this is stated?

jsty 7y ago
I think they mean that if the headline is taken as written it implies everyone in the company being moved onto 70k - even if their salary was originally higher, not that the article actually states that this happened.
chrisseaton 7y ago
> Would you mind sharing a source where this is stated? It’s in the title. ‘Everyone on 70k’ is a pay cut if you were in more than 70k, as any professional would be. It’s clearly wrong as it doesn’t make any sense, but that’s the source they were referring to.
- jpxw 7y ago
  I mean technically it can be true that everyone is on 70k, and some people are on more.
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    How's that? It can be true that everyone is on at least 70k, and some people are on more. It can't be true that everyone is on 70k, and some people are on more. If you're on 80k then you aren't on 70k are you?
    - sokoloff 7y ago
      If you're 5 and asking "how many months have 28 days?" and insisting the answer is "all of them", you are technically correct. In that extremely limited sense, this headline could also be correct.
      - o-__-o 7y ago
        today i learned that a lot of people on HN don't have kids. you learn to be very direct in communication to avoid misunderstanding like this (which is very common!)
        TechBro8615 7y ago
        Mate, most of us don’t even have girlfriends.
        jkestner 7y ago
        Today I learned that a lot of people on HN are in fact my 5yo. Upon gaining a command of language, she used it to simulate a reasonable person with whom I get suckered into arguing about things she doesn’t understand.
- alkonaut 7y ago
  > as any professional would be Would call center staff, receptionists etc not be professionals (I.e. is there a use of the term I'm not aware of?). Is it people doing work requiring degrees?
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    > Would call center staff, receptionists etc not be professionals Are you just asking what a 'professional' is? As in you're not a native speaker? The etymology is from 'someone who has professed vows' and traditionally means someone who's part of some kind of learned society. In the past it was classes like doctors, lawyers, religious ministers. Over the industrial revolution it began to include engineers. Engineers used to be part of learned societies (I am, as a software engineer), but now it's more relaxed in many places, with software engineering being at the extreme end of relaxed. So not call centre staff, because that's not part of any learned society and are not part of a career that would traditionally have been so but has become more relaxed. Wikipedia explains well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional. Are you confusing the term with just 'anyone who works for a living'? That's not what 'professional' means.
    - alkonaut 7y ago
      > Are you just asking what a 'professional' is? As in you're not a native speaker? Indeed. > Are you confusing the term with just 'anyone who works for a living'? That's not what 'professional' means. That's how it's commonly used in sports, perhaps that's where I got it from. I'd call any athlete who performs their sport for a living "professional", not because they are e.g. part of a specific league, but exactly because they can do it for a living. But regardless: which people in a typical company would be the professionals? People with protected titles (Lawyers, etc)? How do e.g. Engineers fit in?
      - chrisseaton 7y ago
        I think the amateur/professional use is a bit different, because nobody is an amateur call centre worker. > But regardless: which people in a typical company would be the professionals? People with protected titles (Lawyers, etc)? How do e.g. Engineers fit in? People who's careers would traditionally have been part of learned societies that you had to profess vows to get into, and then careers that have grown up around that. Lawyers, engineers, HR, marketing (there are learned societies for HR and marketing), etc.
- Blaiz0r 7y ago
  Then why would the word minimum be used?

I can't find any mention of technical staff having their salary slashed. The only mention of pay cuts is the one the CEO took. Would you mind sharing a source where this is stated?

jsty 7y ago

I think they mean that if the headline is taken as written it implies everyone in the company being moved onto 70k - even if their salary was originally higher, not that the article actually states that this happened.

chrisseaton 7y ago

> Would you mind sharing a source where this is stated? It’s in the title. ‘Everyone on 70k’ is a pay cut if you were in more than 70k, as any professional would be. It’s clearly wrong as it doesn’t make any sense, but that’s the source they were referring to.

jpxw 7y ago
I mean technically it can be true that everyone is on 70k, and some people are on more.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  How's that? It can be true that everyone is on at least 70k, and some people are on more. It can't be true that everyone is on 70k, and some people are on more. If you're on 80k then you aren't on 70k are you?
  - sokoloff 7y ago
    If you're 5 and asking "how many months have 28 days?" and insisting the answer is "all of them", you are technically correct. In that extremely limited sense, this headline could also be correct.
    - o-__-o 7y ago
      today i learned that a lot of people on HN don't have kids. you learn to be very direct in communication to avoid misunderstanding like this (which is very common!)
      - TechBro8615 7y ago
        Mate, most of us don’t even have girlfriends.
      - jkestner 7y ago
        Today I learned that a lot of people on HN are in fact my 5yo. Upon gaining a command of language, she used it to simulate a reasonable person with whom I get suckered into arguing about things she doesn’t understand.
alkonaut 7y ago
> as any professional would be Would call center staff, receptionists etc not be professionals (I.e. is there a use of the term I'm not aware of?). Is it people doing work requiring degrees?
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > Would call center staff, receptionists etc not be professionals Are you just asking what a 'professional' is? As in you're not a native speaker? The etymology is from 'someone who has professed vows' and traditionally means someone who's part of some kind of learned society. In the past it was classes like doctors, lawyers, religious ministers. Over the industrial revolution it began to include engineers. Engineers used to be part of learned societies (I am, as a software engineer), but now it's more relaxed in many places, with software engineering being at the extreme end of relaxed. So not call centre staff, because that's not part of any learned society and are not part of a career that would traditionally have been so but has become more relaxed. Wikipedia explains well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional. Are you confusing the term with just 'anyone who works for a living'? That's not what 'professional' means.
  - alkonaut 7y ago
    > Are you just asking what a 'professional' is? As in you're not a native speaker? Indeed. > Are you confusing the term with just 'anyone who works for a living'? That's not what 'professional' means. That's how it's commonly used in sports, perhaps that's where I got it from. I'd call any athlete who performs their sport for a living "professional", not because they are e.g. part of a specific league, but exactly because they can do it for a living. But regardless: which people in a typical company would be the professionals? People with protected titles (Lawyers, etc)? How do e.g. Engineers fit in?
    - chrisseaton 7y ago
      I think the amateur/professional use is a bit different, because nobody is an amateur call centre worker. > But regardless: which people in a typical company would be the professionals? People with protected titles (Lawyers, etc)? How do e.g. Engineers fit in? People who's careers would traditionally have been part of learned societies that you had to profess vows to get into, and then careers that have grown up around that. Lawyers, engineers, HR, marketing (there are learned societies for HR and marketing), etc.
Blaiz0r 7y ago
Then why would the word minimum be used?