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Are you aware that you can search the menu from the help area? Or just cmd-shift-?

newscracker 7y ago
Late reply, but that's still very slow and cumbersome compared to hitting Alt and then a couple of keys on Windows. I can give more examples. The default on Mac, for a very long time, has been to not allow tab to navigate all controls in windows and dialogs (the default is only text boxes and lists). This has to be changed by the user in System Preferences. Another point on keyboard support is how it's missing on macOS in certain places. An example: Download a DMG file of an app that's already installed (say you're doing a manual upgrade), open it using Cmd+Down Arrow, and then copy the app into /Applications (let's assume the keyboard is used for this entire flow). If your user account is not an administrator, you'd get a dialog to authenticate first, and then another dialog in response to the fact that an app with the same name is already there in /Applications, with options to Keep both versions, Stop the operation or Delete the older version. On macOS Mojave, I find that this dialog cannot be navigated using the keyboard at all (hitting tab or space or Enter does nothing)! The trackpad is the only way to respond to it. I have never seen this kind of behavior on Windows dialogs, whether they're from an application or from the OS (for UAC or other permissions).
- wingerlang 7y ago
  If I go by my family, I don't think using purely keyboard is something normal users would be doing anyway. So it is possible that they simply have not found it necessary to add as default (I say this as someone who uses a lot of keyboard, and custom shortcuts).
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nkkollaw 7y ago
Maybe he's not. Also, if he's not it kind of proves the point of the article.
- SebastianKra 7y ago
  The point of the article was to (somewhat) counter the recent critizisms of iOS/iPad discoverability. He suggests that every system has those quirks that you will learn to navigate around.
  - nkkollaw 7y ago
    Not to me, what I got from the article is that most people can't use basic functionality that macOS hides by default. The vast majority will not learn that ctrl + click does right-click, and that you can enable scrollbars again to actually see if there is more content to view.
    - coribuci 7y ago
      > The vast majority will not learn that ctrl + click does right-click, and that you can enable scrollbars again to actually see if there is more content to view. How are they suppose to learn that ? Is it described in a help text somewhere ? How about Shift + Click ? Or Caps Lock + Click ? Will this destroy my document ? Now seriously. People (except children) have a lot of other things to do instead of doing detective work.
      - nkkollaw 7y ago
        Aren't we saying the same thing..?

Late reply, but that's still very slow and cumbersome compared to hitting Alt and then a couple of keys on Windows. I can give more examples. The default on Mac, for a very long time, has been to not allow tab to navigate all controls in windows and dialogs (the default is only text boxes and lists). This has to be changed by the user in System Preferences. Another point on keyboard support is how it's missing on macOS in certain places. An example: Download a DMG file of an app that's already installed (say you're doing a manual upgrade), open it using Cmd+Down Arrow, and then copy the app into /Applications (let's assume the keyboard is used for this entire flow). If your user account is not an administrator, you'd get a dialog to authenticate first, and then another dialog in response to the fact that an app with the same name is already there in /Applications, with options to Keep both versions, Stop the operation or Delete the older version. On macOS Mojave, I find that this dialog cannot be navigated using the keyboard at all (hitting tab or space or Enter does nothing)! The trackpad is the only way to respond to it. I have never seen this kind of behavior on Windows dialogs, whether they're from an application or from the OS (for UAC or other permissions).

wingerlang 7y ago
If I go by my family, I don't think using purely keyboard is something normal users would be doing anyway. So it is possible that they simply have not found it necessary to add as default (I say this as someone who uses a lot of keyboard, and custom shortcuts).

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nkkollaw 7y ago

Maybe he's not. Also, if he's not it kind of proves the point of the article.

SebastianKra 7y ago
The point of the article was to (somewhat) counter the recent critizisms of iOS/iPad discoverability. He suggests that every system has those quirks that you will learn to navigate around.
- nkkollaw 7y ago
  Not to me, what I got from the article is that most people can't use basic functionality that macOS hides by default. The vast majority will not learn that ctrl + click does right-click, and that you can enable scrollbars again to actually see if there is more content to view.
  - coribuci 7y ago
    > The vast majority will not learn that ctrl + click does right-click, and that you can enable scrollbars again to actually see if there is more content to view. How are they suppose to learn that ? Is it described in a help text somewhere ? How about Shift + Click ? Or Caps Lock + Click ? Will this destroy my document ? Now seriously. People (except children) have a lot of other things to do instead of doing detective work.
    - nkkollaw 7y ago
      Aren't we saying the same thing..?