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That's not true. It's plastered all over not to brigade. NP links are required to prevent it. Ironically T_D deals with brigading from other subs all the time.

That's not true. It's plastered all over not to brigade. NP links are required to prevent it. Ironically T_D deals with brigading from other subs all the time. The mods at T_D have followed every rule to the tee. Other subs are not expected to control all of their users, but at least to enforce the site rules, T_D mods have done this. I haven't seen any evidence otherwise. Guilty until proven innocent if we want to use the fairest judgement standard.

JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
NP links aren't 100% effective in stopping brigading. You can simply remove the "np." from the URL.
- belltaco 7y ago
  AFAIK NP also only works for RES users, who are a fraction of Reddit Users.
- sdfgdsfgdfg 7y ago
  The point was the mods were following the guidelines to prevent encouragement of brigading. Of course you can change the link, any user in any sub can change a link and brigade, at that point the blame is on the individual, not the group. I could show you many examples of rule breaking all over Reddit, that doesn't mean you quarantine the entire sub, there would be nothing left.
ArchReaper 7y ago
I don't have links at the ready, but I have seen multiple instances of TD brigading with pinned topics. I am not saying I know for a fact it has happened recently, but it has happened. I don't blame you for wanting evidence, but their track record doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
  The nerve you have to accuse, then say you don't have links of proof, then demand links of proof from me when I say I've seen brigading. They are both anecdotal and yet you feel like yours is right and mine is laughable. Neither side can say who is brigading for sure but only one side is getting banned. The sanders subreddits and /r/politics brigading is prevalent from what I've seen. Hell, it was an issue on one of the Democratic debates about his supporters brigading. Warren seemed to think it was bad. Anti-brigading rules were enacted on T_D and you can still see them in full force. I have never seen any pinned brigading posts. Other subs have not done the same an yet they haven't even been quarantined. I don't have any links and you just said you don't have any links with proof of T_D brigading. Why would I keep track of that? I'm not the company banning users for their ideologies and pretending it was because of "brigading" while providing no proof. I'm the guy saying it's an unpassable purity test and no sub would be safe under the same scrutiny. It's targeted and wrong. All of this is anecdotal and that's how you know it's targeted. There hasn't been one sliver of evidence that T_D mods supported brigading. Yes there are probably a lot of reports, but that's because it's a political subreddit in this climate, of course there are, especially when everyone else on the site hates them. Reddit is now officially 100% an echo-chamber. Congrats you're on the way to be Digg. Good riddance.
  - ArchReaper 7y ago
    Do you have any examples of brigading from the subreddits you mention? I haven't seen any, and would like to be more informed. EDIT: OP edited their comment, I will leave mine as-is.
    - sdfgdsfgdfg 7y ago
      Do you have any examples of the brigading from T_D? No you already said you didn't.
  - dwild 7y ago
    > They are both anecdotal and yet you feel like yours is right and mine is laughable. Aren't you doing that too right now?
benmmurphy 7y ago
I suspect this is a case of an isolated demand for rigor. It’s quite difficult to have a political reddit with 700,000 subscribers and not have comments or post being made that break the rules. Especially when there are strong incentives for people to use alts to make false flag posts. I strongly doubt r/the_donald is being fairly treated by reddit when most of the admin team has a fundamental objection to the sub’s message. The admin team in the past have shown they cannot act professionally. For example the CEO edited user’s messages in the r/the_donald to try and create discord between users.
- wtallis 7y ago
  > For example the CEO edited user’s messages in the r/the_donald to try and create discord between users. Do you really feel that's a fair summary of what happened, in spite of the discussion of that incident elsewhere in this thread?
  - blackflame7000 7y ago
    It's an extremely fair piece of information to use when trying to decide just how impartial the Reddit Admins are.
    - wtallis 7y ago
      It's fair to consider as evidence of potential bias or lack of professional restraint, but only if you aren't lying about what actually went down.
      - Faark 7y ago
        Yeah, it is clear evidence that reddit and this subreddit are in open conflict for quite a while. I find it quite impressive admins didn't just end this spat, but instead go more creative routes like this one or creating quarantine mode for subs, beside the infamous & less impressive events. I totally had expected this sub to get banned already. Well see about the future...
- 7y ago
streb-lo 7y ago
Which is exactly why they have also started temp-banning and banning people who consistently upvote posts that break the rules.
charwalker 7y ago
You are ignoring the obvious for anyone observing the sub since its creation. I had meme post on Reddit long ago near its creation on if the sub was satire or not (it was started as satire in support of candidate Trump). Think AdviceAnimals Afroid to Ask Andy meme from Parks and Rec. Shortly after that the mod team turned over and it went down it's current path of clear rule breaking, racism, misogyny, and worse. You could read through the comment son most posts and find any sort of rule breaking behavior if not outright calls for violence. It's an echo chamber mods could not (or would not) stay on top of with a ton of reports to Reddit admins. The current policy applied is to stifle the sub without a full ban to eliminate publication of its death. The policies for new mods are designed to either force in people who are disconnected from typical subscribers and can enforce the rules without bias or demonstrate how much of a cesspool it is and strengthen the argument to remove entirely.

JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago

NP links aren't 100% effective in stopping brigading. You can simply remove the "np." from the URL.

belltaco 7y ago
AFAIK NP also only works for RES users, who are a fraction of Reddit Users.
sdfgdsfgdfg 7y ago
The point was the mods were following the guidelines to prevent encouragement of brigading. Of course you can change the link, any user in any sub can change a link and brigade, at that point the blame is on the individual, not the group. I could show you many examples of rule breaking all over Reddit, that doesn't mean you quarantine the entire sub, there would be nothing left.

ArchReaper 7y ago

I don't have links at the ready, but I have seen multiple instances of TD brigading with pinned topics. I am not saying I know for a fact it has happened recently, but it has happened. I don't blame you for wanting evidence, but their track record doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt.

s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
The nerve you have to accuse, then say you don't have links of proof, then demand links of proof from me when I say I've seen brigading. They are both anecdotal and yet you feel like yours is right and mine is laughable. Neither side can say who is brigading for sure but only one side is getting banned. The sanders subreddits and /r/politics brigading is prevalent from what I've seen. Hell, it was an issue on one of the Democratic debates about his supporters brigading. Warren seemed to think it was bad. Anti-brigading rules were enacted on T_D and you can still see them in full force. I have never seen any pinned brigading posts. Other subs have not done the same an yet they haven't even been quarantined. I don't have any links and you just said you don't have any links with proof of T_D brigading. Why would I keep track of that? I'm not the company banning users for their ideologies and pretending it was because of "brigading" while providing no proof. I'm the guy saying it's an unpassable purity test and no sub would be safe under the same scrutiny. It's targeted and wrong. All of this is anecdotal and that's how you know it's targeted. There hasn't been one sliver of evidence that T_D mods supported brigading. Yes there are probably a lot of reports, but that's because it's a political subreddit in this climate, of course there are, especially when everyone else on the site hates them. Reddit is now officially 100% an echo-chamber. Congrats you're on the way to be Digg. Good riddance.
- ArchReaper 7y ago
  Do you have any examples of brigading from the subreddits you mention? I haven't seen any, and would like to be more informed. EDIT: OP edited their comment, I will leave mine as-is.
  - sdfgdsfgdfg 7y ago
    Do you have any examples of the brigading from T_D? No you already said you didn't.
- dwild 7y ago
  > They are both anecdotal and yet you feel like yours is right and mine is laughable. Aren't you doing that too right now?

benmmurphy 7y ago

I suspect this is a case of an isolated demand for rigor. It’s quite difficult to have a political reddit with 700,000 subscribers and not have comments or post being made that break the rules. Especially when there are strong incentives for people to use alts to make false flag posts. I strongly doubt r/the_donald is being fairly treated by reddit when most of the admin team has a fundamental objection to the sub’s message. The admin team in the past have shown they cannot act professionally. For example the CEO edited user’s messages in the r/the_donald to try and create discord between users.

wtallis 7y ago
> For example the CEO edited user’s messages in the r/the_donald to try and create discord between users. Do you really feel that's a fair summary of what happened, in spite of the discussion of that incident elsewhere in this thread?
- blackflame7000 7y ago
  It's an extremely fair piece of information to use when trying to decide just how impartial the Reddit Admins are.
  - wtallis 7y ago
    It's fair to consider as evidence of potential bias or lack of professional restraint, but only if you aren't lying about what actually went down.
    - Faark 7y ago
      Yeah, it is clear evidence that reddit and this subreddit are in open conflict for quite a while. I find it quite impressive admins didn't just end this spat, but instead go more creative routes like this one or creating quarantine mode for subs, beside the infamous & less impressive events. I totally had expected this sub to get banned already. Well see about the future...
7y ago

streb-lo 7y ago

Which is exactly why they have also started temp-banning and banning people who consistently upvote posts that break the rules.

charwalker 7y ago

You are ignoring the obvious for anyone observing the sub since its creation. I had meme post on Reddit long ago near its creation on if the sub was satire or not (it was started as satire in support of candidate Trump). Think AdviceAnimals Afroid to Ask Andy meme from Parks and Rec. Shortly after that the mod team turned over and it went down it's current path of clear rule breaking, racism, misogyny, and worse. You could read through the comment son most posts and find any sort of rule breaking behavior if not outright calls for violence. It's an echo chamber mods could not (or would not) stay on top of with a ton of reports to Reddit admins. The current policy applied is to stifle the sub without a full ban to eliminate publication of its death. The policies for new mods are designed to either force in people who are disconnected from typical subscribers and can enforce the rules without bias or demonstrate how much of a cesspool it is and strengthen the argument to remove entirely.