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Yikes. The snarky answer: find a better place to work. I mean... people have been using version control for decades. It's not controversial.

by davidw 7y ago

SamuelAdams 7y ago
Well tbh this is a really great place to work at and I really enjoy it. I just want to make some progress on the tech tools front. There's a lot of other really good things going on at this org, so I don't think this will be a hill I'm willing to die on.
- davidw 7y ago
  Something like this contains a lot of data: https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/what-is-version-control https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/what-is-version-cont... I found it by googling 'advantages of version control'.
- DEADBEEFC0FFEE 7y ago
  Instead of preaching source control, why not try framing the problem you perceive as risks that others can empathize with. If you can't, then perhaps it's not truely needed in that workplace.
  - carapace 7y ago
    Where are you coming from here? You're all over this thread hating on DVCS. Did version control kill your dad or something? Why wouldn't you use version control?
    - jbn 7y ago
      yes why would one not use version control??, sounds like dogma to me (a bit little being anti-vaccine IMHO..).
- Gibbon1 7y ago
  Yeah pick your battles. Nothing really stops you from using git locally.
twunde 7y ago
While people have been using version control for decades it only became the norm for all projects since github became popular. 2010-13ish I would regularly meet senior/mid-level engineers that weren't familiar with Git. In companies that are not tech-first, it can be a battle to get developer tooling in place since its not a feature. Anecdotally, I worked at one place where the deploys were manual FTP file by file for a team of 12-15ish engineers. Automating deployments basically gave us back 1-2 engineers.
- davidw 7y ago
  People have been using version control since I started coding professionally in the 90ies. Granted, it was much crappier (cvs and then subversion), but it still was much better than nothing at all.
- DEADBEEFC0FFEE 7y ago
  I have worked at places where they just create a new folder and copy everything over. Backups do the rest. Occasionally they would ask for a restore and do a diff.
  - jbn 7y ago
    backup aren't usually reliable (and if they're not tested, they are absolutely not "reliable", you just don't know...), and that's a horrible way to get back old artifacts (it surely is excruciatingly painful compared to just using source control). I think anybody sane would just refuse to work at a company with such practices..
DEADBEEFC0FFEE 7y ago
That's not a reason to use source control.

Yikes. The snarky answer: find a better place to work. I mean... people have been using version control for decades. It's not controversial.

by davidw 7y ago

Yikes. The snarky answer: find a better place to work. I mean... people have been using version control for decades. It's not controversial.

SamuelAdams 7y ago

Well tbh this is a really great place to work at and I really enjoy it. I just want to make some progress on the tech tools front. There's a lot of other really good things going on at this org, so I don't think this will be a hill I'm willing to die on.

davidw 7y ago
Something like this contains a lot of data: https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/what-is-version-control https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/what-is-version-cont... I found it by googling 'advantages of version control'.
DEADBEEFC0FFEE 7y ago
Instead of preaching source control, why not try framing the problem you perceive as risks that others can empathize with. If you can't, then perhaps it's not truely needed in that workplace.
- carapace 7y ago
  Where are you coming from here? You're all over this thread hating on DVCS. Did version control kill your dad or something? Why wouldn't you use version control?
  - jbn 7y ago
    yes why would one not use version control??, sounds like dogma to me (a bit little being anti-vaccine IMHO..).
Gibbon1 7y ago
Yeah pick your battles. Nothing really stops you from using git locally.

twunde 7y ago

While people have been using version control for decades it only became the norm for all projects since github became popular. 2010-13ish I would regularly meet senior/mid-level engineers that weren't familiar with Git. In companies that are not tech-first, it can be a battle to get developer tooling in place since its not a feature. Anecdotally, I worked at one place where the deploys were manual FTP file by file for a team of 12-15ish engineers. Automating deployments basically gave us back 1-2 engineers.

davidw 7y ago
People have been using version control since I started coding professionally in the 90ies. Granted, it was much crappier (cvs and then subversion), but it still was much better than nothing at all.
DEADBEEFC0FFEE 7y ago
I have worked at places where they just create a new folder and copy everything over. Backups do the rest. Occasionally they would ask for a restore and do a diff.
- jbn 7y ago
  backup aren't usually reliable (and if they're not tested, they are absolutely not "reliable", you just don't know...), and that's a horrible way to get back old artifacts (it surely is excruciatingly painful compared to just using source control). I think anybody sane would just refuse to work at a company with such practices..

DEADBEEFC0FFEE 7y ago

That's not a reason to use source control.