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The US did quarantine and test arrivals from Diamond Princess. Those who showed no symptoms have been sent home afaik and are under self-quarantine for a couple

The US did quarantine and test arrivals from Diamond Princess. Those who showed no symptoms have been sent home afaik and are under self-quarantine for a couple weeks. It is ironic that South Koreans would be worried about Americans and Japanese given the state of corona in SK.

pcr910303 7y ago
> The US did quarantine and test arrivals from Diamond Princess. Those who showed no symptoms have been sent home afaik and are under self-quarantine for a couple weeks. Hmm, what we heard was that the US only tested people who had symptoms, and people who didn’t wasn’t under quarantine. Looks like people thinks that self-quarantine disqualified as quarantine; they were worried that people can spread the virus while getting to their homes. Maybe this probably isn’t that much a big problem in US compared to Korea where public transport is less used?
- at-fates-hands 7y ago
  > Hmm, what we heard was that the US only tested people who had symptoms. Which is a crap shoot to begin with since the symptoms are fever, coughing and shortness of breath. A lot of the original patients were misdiagnosed as just having pneumonia since it has the same symptoms. There's still a TON of misinformation out there as well. Just like in the Times today where they said in one sentence: Yet the patient tested positive, and may be the first person to be infected through community spread in the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday. So then, they don't know where he got it then? Wow, that must be serious, right? But wait, this is the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH: C.D.C. officials said it was possible the patient was exposed to a returning traveler who was infected. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/health/coronavirus-testing-california.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/health/coronavirus-testin... They first say its the first patient who was infected through community spread, then back off the very next sentence to say its actually possible he was infected by someone else? I'm not sure how this type of reporting is helping anything, other than by spreading fear, which during an epidemic is exactly what you don't want.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    From the point of view of the patient you don't 'just' have pneumonia. It's a pretty heavy thing to go through and may cause lasting damage to your lung capacity and ability to deal with future infections, the only upside is you can't spread it around.
simmanian 7y ago
The implication is that the number of confirmed patients in South Korea is so high exactly because the SK government actually tests ~3000 to 5000 potential carriers every day. The government is putting huge amounts of resources into tracking everyone who may have gotten in contact with confirmed patients, the vast majority of whom turned out to be part of some secret cult [1]. They even have drive-through stations where people can get tested in minutes. It's free to get tested and, if you're confirmed to have the virus, your hospital bill is entirely on the government. I personally find that South Koreans are overreacting, but you can't really deny that their efforts to track the virus far eclipse those of Americans and/or Japanese. The people sitting in the White House don't really seem to care at all. Abe seems to only care about the coming Olympics (I mean, just look at how he handled the Diamond Princess situation). [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51609840 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51609840
- jacquesm 7y ago
  As long as they are identifying cases why would you say they are overreacting?
  - simmanian 7y ago
    In the short term, I keep finding myself asking: if people fear this new virus so much, shouldn't they also fear the flu virus every year? In the long term, I believe we're going to see more cases of novel viruses spreading around the world as global warming unleashes dormant viruses. High density urban planning and new viruses is not a good combo. We'll probably need to drastically change our lifestyles to really combat future global epidemics.
    - jacquesm 7y ago
      > shouldn't they also fear the flu virus every year? Why is it that people need to be told the same thing over and over again? Never mind: (1) the R0 [1] of this virus is somewhere between 3-4 and that of the flu virus is closer to 1, that means that you can have a lot more cases, and quite fast. (2) the flu virus has a mortality around 0.1%, this virus is somewhere between 2-3% [2]. (3) the chances of severe complications (pneumonia) with lasting damage are about 20% once infected. This has nothing to do with global warming or 'dormant viruses', it is an example of Zoonosis [3] , a pathogen crossing the 'some animal' -> humans species barrier. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis If this were a start-up you'd all recognize that it is positioned quite well to scale up, 'go viral', so to speak, no growth hacking required. Investors would be tripping over each other trying to get in on the ground floor, success almost guaranteed.
kccqzy 7y ago
> It is ironic that South Koreans would be worried about Americans and Japanese given the state of corona in SK. The government is doing so much more to control the spread of the virus in South Korea. As such I can reasonably trust that the number produced by South Korean is trustworthy. The same thing cannot be said for the Japanese or U.S. government. The Japanese have an incentive to under report numbers because they've prepared many years for the olympics and don't want it to be cancelled. I'd rather a government overreact than be complacent and baselessly optimistic and do nothing.
dang 7y ago
Please don't cross into nationalistic flamewar on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

pcr910303 7y ago

> The US did quarantine and test arrivals from Diamond Princess. Those who showed no symptoms have been sent home afaik and are under self-quarantine for a couple weeks. Hmm, what we heard was that the US only tested people who had symptoms, and people who didn’t wasn’t under quarantine. Looks like people thinks that self-quarantine disqualified as quarantine; they were worried that people can spread the virus while getting to their homes. Maybe this probably isn’t that much a big problem in US compared to Korea where public transport is less used?

at-fates-hands 7y ago
> Hmm, what we heard was that the US only tested people who had symptoms. Which is a crap shoot to begin with since the symptoms are fever, coughing and shortness of breath. A lot of the original patients were misdiagnosed as just having pneumonia since it has the same symptoms. There's still a TON of misinformation out there as well. Just like in the Times today where they said in one sentence: Yet the patient tested positive, and may be the first person to be infected through community spread in the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday. So then, they don't know where he got it then? Wow, that must be serious, right? But wait, this is the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH: C.D.C. officials said it was possible the patient was exposed to a returning traveler who was infected. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/health/coronavirus-testing-california.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/health/coronavirus-testin... They first say its the first patient who was infected through community spread, then back off the very next sentence to say its actually possible he was infected by someone else? I'm not sure how this type of reporting is helping anything, other than by spreading fear, which during an epidemic is exactly what you don't want.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  From the point of view of the patient you don't 'just' have pneumonia. It's a pretty heavy thing to go through and may cause lasting damage to your lung capacity and ability to deal with future infections, the only upside is you can't spread it around.

simmanian 7y ago

The implication is that the number of confirmed patients in South Korea is so high exactly because the SK government actually tests ~3000 to 5000 potential carriers every day. The government is putting huge amounts of resources into tracking everyone who may have gotten in contact with confirmed patients, the vast majority of whom turned out to be part of some secret cult [1]. They even have drive-through stations where people can get tested in minutes. It's free to get tested and, if you're confirmed to have the virus, your hospital bill is entirely on the government. I personally find that South Koreans are overreacting, but you can't really deny that their efforts to track the virus far eclipse those of Americans and/or Japanese. The people sitting in the White House don't really seem to care at all. Abe seems to only care about the coming Olympics (I mean, just look at how he handled the Diamond Princess situation). [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51609840 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51609840

jacquesm 7y ago
As long as they are identifying cases why would you say they are overreacting?
- simmanian 7y ago
  In the short term, I keep finding myself asking: if people fear this new virus so much, shouldn't they also fear the flu virus every year? In the long term, I believe we're going to see more cases of novel viruses spreading around the world as global warming unleashes dormant viruses. High density urban planning and new viruses is not a good combo. We'll probably need to drastically change our lifestyles to really combat future global epidemics.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    > shouldn't they also fear the flu virus every year? Why is it that people need to be told the same thing over and over again? Never mind: (1) the R0 [1] of this virus is somewhere between 3-4 and that of the flu virus is closer to 1, that means that you can have a lot more cases, and quite fast. (2) the flu virus has a mortality around 0.1%, this virus is somewhere between 2-3% [2]. (3) the chances of severe complications (pneumonia) with lasting damage are about 20% once infected. This has nothing to do with global warming or 'dormant viruses', it is an example of Zoonosis [3] , a pathogen crossing the 'some animal' -> humans species barrier. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis If this were a start-up you'd all recognize that it is positioned quite well to scale up, 'go viral', so to speak, no growth hacking required. Investors would be tripping over each other trying to get in on the ground floor, success almost guaranteed.

kccqzy 7y ago

> It is ironic that South Koreans would be worried about Americans and Japanese given the state of corona in SK. The government is doing so much more to control the spread of the virus in South Korea. As such I can reasonably trust that the number produced by South Korean is trustworthy. The same thing cannot be said for the Japanese or U.S. government. The Japanese have an incentive to under report numbers because they've prepared many years for the olympics and don't want it to be cancelled. I'd rather a government overreact than be complacent and baselessly optimistic and do nothing.

dang 7y ago

Please don't cross into nationalistic flamewar on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html