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DoorDash has filed for IPO

24 points by finphil 7y ago

TheEndless 7y ago
By far the worst food delivery as a service platform provider.
- devmunchies 7y ago
  I've never used a 3rd party food delivery service. what makes it so bad?
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22432303 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22432303
  - saber6 7y ago
    Every time I have used Door Dash the driver has stole food from my order. This is not an exaggeration. I just place orders direct with the restaurants again.
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OedipusRex 7y ago
I have a feeling these food delivery services are going to fade into obscurity or outright die. They cost way too much already and prices are only going to increase.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Very likely! Considering a lot of the world could see an economic contraction shortly, I can’t imagine people continue to consume mediocre food delivery at inflated prices if that occurs. Unemployment and pay cuts go further if you get your food yourself, and public market investors are in no hurry to adopt a dumpster fire (a la WeWork) into their portfolios.
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- ergocoder 7y ago
  Yeah, I earn six figures and feel that it's expensive. This makes me think not many people will use doordash. US's way of life isn't fit for this type of service. (e.g. tipping culture, high labor cost).
  - cmdshiftf4 7y ago
    Likewise. Good income coming in, manage costs well and as such have a healthy amount of disposable income left over every month. Last time I opened Uber Eats for something trivial, I was met with tax added, a service fee, a delivery fee and a request for a tip. Cancelled and deleted the app entirely. Who in their right mind is succumbing to this nonsense?
    - andykx 7y ago
      If I am being frank, I mostly use DoorDash/Uber Eats when I’ve had a couple drinks and I can’t drive somewhere to get food. Pizza is the only delivery option if I don’t want to use an app. Most restaurants around here forgo offering delivery themselves and advertise the fact that you can order from them on Uber Eats or whatever.
    - stopping 7y ago
      Not to mention that the in-app menu prices are frequently inflated compared to dining in. To be fair, I believe this is set by the restaurant in order offset the huge cut that delivery apps take.
    - bradstewart 7y ago
      I only use them when I'm sick.
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dsalzman 7y ago
Remember folks, you can still just call restaurants and place delivery orders by talking to a human being (gasps!) without paying the Silicon Valley VC/IPO tax.
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- JohnFen 7y ago
  Not all restaurants offer delivery, but most will let you pick your order up.
- deviner 7y ago
  I think you under estimate how many people are lazy and willing to eat all those costs to not leave their house, and have the food delivered right to their door. Even more so in big cities where most of the population doesn't have a car. not my comment buy I agree
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    Yes, delivery.
- bogomipz 7y ago
  I've actually noticed more than a few restaurants in places like NYC tell me I had to use one of their preferred online delivery services to place a delivery order. For anyone who knows the culture of food delivery in NYC this is kind of shocking development.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > tell me I had to use one of their preferred online delivery services to place a delivery order. Yes, there are quite a few restaurants in my area that do this as well. I make sure to tell them that means that I'm going to order from some other restaurant that actually offers real delivery.
- austhrow743 7y ago
sct202 7y ago
How does it make any sense that DoorDash has a valuation of $13b when Grubhub is only worth $4b with a similar market share? DD has been discounting so heavily that they can't obviously sustain that after the VC money turns off.
- kevinyun 7y ago
  That is incredibly alarming. Very reminiscent of WeWork and Regus. Only time will tell if it's a bubble that will burst. That said, I'd really love to know what I'm missing or overlooking here, as GrubHub/Seamless being 30% the value of DoorDash feels waaay off here.
  - realdlee 7y ago
    growth is the difference. Grubhub's market share has been shrinking for many quarters, while Doordash's has been rapidly increasing.
- d0gbread 7y ago
  It's worth noting that Chase, which I believe is helping with the IPO, gave all Sapphire Reserve card holders a perk that effectively gave you 2-3 free DoorDash orders, bumping up their unique users just in time for an IPO. Feels unethical to me.
chriselles 7y ago
Dominos Pizza has 3X’d in 3 years, coinciding with the rise of app based food delivery services. Domino’s P/E ratio had also gone 3X in the same timeframe which tells me this is a delivery bubble. I’m guessing Domino’s Snowcrash delivery model, or some co-op version of it, will win out over the current crowded gig economy model.

24 points by finphil 7y ago

TheEndless 7y ago

By far the worst food delivery as a service platform provider.

devmunchies 7y ago
I've never used a 3rd party food delivery service. what makes it so bad?
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22432303 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22432303
- saber6 7y ago
  Every time I have used Door Dash the driver has stole food from my order. This is not an exaggeration. I just place orders direct with the restaurants again.

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OedipusRex 7y ago

I have a feeling these food delivery services are going to fade into obscurity or outright die. They cost way too much already and prices are only going to increase.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Very likely! Considering a lot of the world could see an economic contraction shortly, I can’t imagine people continue to consume mediocre food delivery at inflated prices if that occurs. Unemployment and pay cuts go further if you get your food yourself, and public market investors are in no hurry to adopt a dumpster fire (a la WeWork) into their portfolios.
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ergocoder 7y ago
Yeah, I earn six figures and feel that it's expensive. This makes me think not many people will use doordash. US's way of life isn't fit for this type of service. (e.g. tipping culture, high labor cost).
- cmdshiftf4 7y ago
  Likewise. Good income coming in, manage costs well and as such have a healthy amount of disposable income left over every month. Last time I opened Uber Eats for something trivial, I was met with tax added, a service fee, a delivery fee and a request for a tip. Cancelled and deleted the app entirely. Who in their right mind is succumbing to this nonsense?
  - andykx 7y ago
    If I am being frank, I mostly use DoorDash/Uber Eats when I’ve had a couple drinks and I can’t drive somewhere to get food. Pizza is the only delivery option if I don’t want to use an app. Most restaurants around here forgo offering delivery themselves and advertise the fact that you can order from them on Uber Eats or whatever.
  - stopping 7y ago
    Not to mention that the in-app menu prices are frequently inflated compared to dining in. To be fair, I believe this is set by the restaurant in order offset the huge cut that delivery apps take.
  - bradstewart 7y ago
    I only use them when I'm sick.

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dsalzman 7y ago

Remember folks, you can still just call restaurants and place delivery orders by talking to a human being (gasps!) without paying the Silicon Valley VC/IPO tax.

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JohnFen 7y ago
Not all restaurants offer delivery, but most will let you pick your order up.
deviner 7y ago
I think you under estimate how many people are lazy and willing to eat all those costs to not leave their house, and have the food delivered right to their door. Even more so in big cities where most of the population doesn't have a car. not my comment buy I agree
- paulddraper 7y ago
  Yes, delivery.
bogomipz 7y ago
I've actually noticed more than a few restaurants in places like NYC tell me I had to use one of their preferred online delivery services to place a delivery order. For anyone who knows the culture of food delivery in NYC this is kind of shocking development.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  > tell me I had to use one of their preferred online delivery services to place a delivery order. Yes, there are quite a few restaurants in my area that do this as well. I make sure to tell them that means that I'm going to order from some other restaurant that actually offers real delivery.
austhrow743 7y ago

sct202 7y ago

How does it make any sense that DoorDash has a valuation of $13b when Grubhub is only worth $4b with a similar market share? DD has been discounting so heavily that they can't obviously sustain that after the VC money turns off.

kevinyun 7y ago
That is incredibly alarming. Very reminiscent of WeWork and Regus. Only time will tell if it's a bubble that will burst. That said, I'd really love to know what I'm missing or overlooking here, as GrubHub/Seamless being 30% the value of DoorDash feels waaay off here.
- realdlee 7y ago
  growth is the difference. Grubhub's market share has been shrinking for many quarters, while Doordash's has been rapidly increasing.
d0gbread 7y ago
It's worth noting that Chase, which I believe is helping with the IPO, gave all Sapphire Reserve card holders a perk that effectively gave you 2-3 free DoorDash orders, bumping up their unique users just in time for an IPO. Feels unethical to me.

chriselles 7y ago

Dominos Pizza has 3X’d in 3 years, coinciding with the rise of app based food delivery services. Domino’s P/E ratio had also gone 3X in the same timeframe which tells me this is a delivery bubble. I’m guessing Domino’s Snowcrash delivery model, or some co-op version of it, will win out over the current crowded gig economy model.