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Call it "HTML5 Utility Belt" and the article's argument goes away. (I was going to say it "evaporates", but it's all hot air already.)

by lhnn 16y ago

paulirish 16y ago
Not a bad name. I had it previously called "frontend pro template" but didn't ♥ it. But I agree the name is contentious. It's not a real "boilerplate" by the book. shrug Since it's my project Harry is critiquing, I'll republish my comment I had left there: So indeed, the boilerplate makes assumptions. It’s all based on the sort of websites I’ve been developing for the past four years: jQuery-based, forward thinking, but with some level of support for IE6. And, yes, there are some opinionated choices in there; but I dropped a lot of other aspects as I decided they weren’t likely to be used by 80% of users. jQuery, google analytics, and IE6 seemed like safe bets. But maybe that’s changing… Indeed much of the features (test suite/yui profiler/analytics) is predicated on the idea that it’s easier to hit Backspace than it is to go and seek out those files and drop them into your project. I think people’s constant requests to get javascript libraries on CDNs only proves there is a usability problem with downloading files to add to your project. But hey, I hear ya, and I don’t want this project to make developers think it’s the only way to do HTML5. But it’s probably the safest unless you like hitting problems that have cropped up again and again in the past 5 years of web dev. If I could just educate users en masse on all the things they need to know to execute on a project flawlessly, I would. (And I’m also trying to do that) But distributing best practices in the form of a packaged product is also a really effective teaching tool. :)
- joakin 16y ago
  Dont take that rant too serious, you did amazing work gathering all the stuff for the template, and i bet that for many people has been really useful. I find painless to delete some stuff I dont want, better than start adding all the stuff I do, and I learnt some stuff from the commented version. Thanks for the "boilerplate", I love it

Call it "HTML5 Utility Belt" and the article's argument goes away. (I was going to say it "evaporates", but it's all hot air already.)

by lhnn 16y ago

Call it "HTML5 Utility Belt" and the article's argument goes away. (I was going to say it "evaporates", but it's all hot air already.)

paulirish 16y ago

Not a bad name. I had it previously called "frontend pro template" but didn't ♥ it. But I agree the name is contentious. It's not a real "boilerplate" by the book. shrug Since it's my project Harry is critiquing, I'll republish my comment I had left there: So indeed, the boilerplate makes assumptions. It’s all based on the sort of websites I’ve been developing for the past four years: jQuery-based, forward thinking, but with some level of support for IE6. And, yes, there are some opinionated choices in there; but I dropped a lot of other aspects as I decided they weren’t likely to be used by 80% of users. jQuery, google analytics, and IE6 seemed like safe bets. But maybe that’s changing… Indeed much of the features (test suite/yui profiler/analytics) is predicated on the idea that it’s easier to hit Backspace than it is to go and seek out those files and drop them into your project. I think people’s constant requests to get javascript libraries on CDNs only proves there is a usability problem with downloading files to add to your project. But hey, I hear ya, and I don’t want this project to make developers think it’s the only way to do HTML5. But it’s probably the safest unless you like hitting problems that have cropped up again and again in the past 5 years of web dev. If I could just educate users en masse on all the things they need to know to execute on a project flawlessly, I would. (And I’m also trying to do that) But distributing best practices in the form of a packaged product is also a really effective teaching tool. :)

joakin 16y ago
Dont take that rant too serious, you did amazing work gathering all the stuff for the template, and i bet that for many people has been really useful. I find painless to delete some stuff I dont want, better than start adding all the stuff I do, and I learnt some stuff from the commented version. Thanks for the "boilerplate", I love it