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This is surprising given this epidemic seems to mostly affect people over 30. Not saying it's wrong, I'm not a public health expert. Just surprised. Is it beca

This is surprising given this epidemic seems to mostly affect people over 30. Not saying it's wrong, I'm not a public health expert. Just surprised. Is it because they might be likely to carry and spread it without ever showing any symptoms?

darren0 7y ago
2 of the 15 new cases in Japan are children. Seems like a reasonable precaution as children have a lot more physical contact than adults (example, lice spreads in children more easily).
m3kw9 7y ago
Children can spread to adults that’s why
- agumonkey 7y ago
  are elders still living with children and grandchildren ? or is it a cliché .
pingyong 7y ago
Over ~60 really, but schools are still amazing in terms of spread (to everyone), even if most of the kids would be fine after 2 weeks at home.
- anonsivalley652 7y ago
  70-90. And the DJIA just dropped 500 pts.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    Closed at down 1190.
onetimemanytime 7y ago
Quarantines apparently are a way to stop spreading it. Now imagine a school with 800 kids, with parents and siblings from all kinds of backgrounds. One kids with the virus can spread to a lot of people who can then do the same...
xt00 7y ago
Also tons of kids in Japan walk, take the train or bike to school, so having kids stay home would actually cut down on a chunk of possible vectors that go back and forth to busy places like train stations and schools. If this keeps up in Japan, the Tokyo Olympics are definitely getting postponed..
- lostapathy 7y ago
  More like canceled. There is just no reasonable way to reschedule an event like that.
giarc 7y ago
There's a good discussion on today's episode of the Daily podcast (Feb 27). Basically the theory is that children often get the 4x regular coronavirus strains and this provides a bit of protection against the new coronavirus strain. Therefore they tend to get subacute cases of coronavirus but can still spread. Here's an unintended consequence of closing schools though. Who often takes care of children when schools are unexpectedly closed? Grandparents. So in a way, they could be making this worse.
- ilamont 7y ago
  I believe in Japan most married women stop working when they have children (https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/a04601/japanese-women-face-tough-reality-in-work-and-marriage.html https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/a04601/japanese-women-fac...) but in other countries where both parents are working, closing schools would be very disruptive.
  - giarc 7y ago
    You are correct, my view is very North American centric. I've never been to Japan so I don't know about childcare and parenting.
- davidw 7y ago
  Kids staying at home with grandparents means far smaller groups of people though. When my daughter started preschool... boy did she ever bring home every type of disease known to science. We ended up pulling her out and just having her grandparents look after her, which worked out really well, because I kept getting sick and missing work myself.
  - zweep 7y ago
    But those preschools build immunity.
    - sp332 7y ago
      Being "immune" just means your body can fight the infection effectively. It doesn't mean you don't get infected and can't spread the disease for a short amount of time.
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AncientTree 7y ago
Mortality is overwhelmingly restricted to the elderly and particularly those with existing health problems: AGE DEATH RATE* 80+ years old 14.8% 70-79 years old 8.0% 60-69 years old 3.6% 50-59 years old 1.3% 40-49 years old 0.4% 30-39 years old 0.2% 20-29 years old 0.2% 10-19 years old 0.2% 0-9 years old no fatalities PRE-EXISTING CONDITION DEATH RATE* Cardiovascular disease 10.5% Diabetes 7.3% Chronic respiratory disease 6.3% Hypertension 6.0% Cancer 5.6% no pre-existing conditions 0.9% https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se... If there is any 'plus' to this situation, its that Coronavirus will rapidly de-age many Western countries. This could lead to large economic benefits in the form of long-term savings on pensions and healthcare, as well as freeing up housing for families.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  > If there is any 'plus' to this situation, its that Coronavirus will rapidly de-age many Western countries. Jeez this is cold
- darkteflon 7y ago
  What an awful thing to say. You have any older people in your family? Think about them before you throw this kind of callous crap around.
  - AncientTree 7y ago
    "A Single Death is a Tragedy; a Million Deaths is a Statistic" In many Western societies, the elderly are going to receive more in lifetime services than they ever 'put in' in taxes. Additionally, the wealth of the oldest cohorts have been increasing, whilst the youngest cohorts have been decreasing. If a 2% deathrate across my country (overwhelmingly the elderly) means I can finally afford to buy a house (due to lower taxes, and increased housing supply/reduced demand), that's a situation I am willing to accept. It would be beneficial to society because I would be able to have children and improve the currently very low fertility rate. Additionally, the youngest generations now face a huge burden of solving climate change, something that older generations have been responsible for but politically refuse to address. When I look at Coronavirus, I see only opportunity for civilization and an improvement in the personal situations for many young people.
TheFiend7 7y ago
Children grouping together for school is a massive transmission vector no? I don't think this is necessarily about protecting specifically kids and rather reducing transmission.
fredgrott 7y ago
think please! How old are parents of children?? Children can give the virus to their parents..
b1ur 7y ago
transmission is bad, as they might carry it to more vulnerable people, but also it gives the virus more opportunities to mutate, which could hinder vaccine/treatment progress

darren0 7y ago

2 of the 15 new cases in Japan are children. Seems like a reasonable precaution as children have a lot more physical contact than adults (example, lice spreads in children more easily).

m3kw9 7y ago

Children can spread to adults that’s why

agumonkey 7y ago
are elders still living with children and grandchildren ? or is it a cliché .

pingyong 7y ago

Over ~60 really, but schools are still amazing in terms of spread (to everyone), even if most of the kids would be fine after 2 weeks at home.

anonsivalley652 7y ago
70-90. And the DJIA just dropped 500 pts.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  Closed at down 1190.

onetimemanytime 7y ago

Quarantines apparently are a way to stop spreading it. Now imagine a school with 800 kids, with parents and siblings from all kinds of backgrounds. One kids with the virus can spread to a lot of people who can then do the same...

xt00 7y ago

Also tons of kids in Japan walk, take the train or bike to school, so having kids stay home would actually cut down on a chunk of possible vectors that go back and forth to busy places like train stations and schools. If this keeps up in Japan, the Tokyo Olympics are definitely getting postponed..

lostapathy 7y ago
More like canceled. There is just no reasonable way to reschedule an event like that.

giarc 7y ago

There's a good discussion on today's episode of the Daily podcast (Feb 27). Basically the theory is that children often get the 4x regular coronavirus strains and this provides a bit of protection against the new coronavirus strain. Therefore they tend to get subacute cases of coronavirus but can still spread. Here's an unintended consequence of closing schools though. Who often takes care of children when schools are unexpectedly closed? Grandparents. So in a way, they could be making this worse.

ilamont 7y ago
I believe in Japan most married women stop working when they have children (https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/a04601/japanese-women-face-tough-reality-in-work-and-marriage.html https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/a04601/japanese-women-fac...) but in other countries where both parents are working, closing schools would be very disruptive.
- giarc 7y ago
  You are correct, my view is very North American centric. I've never been to Japan so I don't know about childcare and parenting.
davidw 7y ago
Kids staying at home with grandparents means far smaller groups of people though. When my daughter started preschool... boy did she ever bring home every type of disease known to science. We ended up pulling her out and just having her grandparents look after her, which worked out really well, because I kept getting sick and missing work myself.
- zweep 7y ago
  But those preschools build immunity.
  - sp332 7y ago
    Being "immune" just means your body can fight the infection effectively. It doesn't mean you don't get infected and can't spread the disease for a short amount of time.

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AncientTree 7y ago

Mortality is overwhelmingly restricted to the elderly and particularly those with existing health problems: AGE DEATH RATE* 80+ years old 14.8% 70-79 years old 8.0% 60-69 years old 3.6% 50-59 years old 1.3% 40-49 years old 0.4% 30-39 years old 0.2% 20-29 years old 0.2% 10-19 years old 0.2% 0-9 years old no fatalities PRE-EXISTING CONDITION DEATH RATE* Cardiovascular disease 10.5% Diabetes 7.3% Chronic respiratory disease 6.3% Hypertension 6.0% Cancer 5.6% no pre-existing conditions 0.9% https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se... If there is any 'plus' to this situation, its that Coronavirus will rapidly de-age many Western countries. This could lead to large economic benefits in the form of long-term savings on pensions and healthcare, as well as freeing up housing for families.

cameronbrown 7y ago
> If there is any 'plus' to this situation, its that Coronavirus will rapidly de-age many Western countries. Jeez this is cold
darkteflon 7y ago
What an awful thing to say. You have any older people in your family? Think about them before you throw this kind of callous crap around.
- AncientTree 7y ago
  "A Single Death is a Tragedy; a Million Deaths is a Statistic" In many Western societies, the elderly are going to receive more in lifetime services than they ever 'put in' in taxes. Additionally, the wealth of the oldest cohorts have been increasing, whilst the youngest cohorts have been decreasing. If a 2% deathrate across my country (overwhelmingly the elderly) means I can finally afford to buy a house (due to lower taxes, and increased housing supply/reduced demand), that's a situation I am willing to accept. It would be beneficial to society because I would be able to have children and improve the currently very low fertility rate. Additionally, the youngest generations now face a huge burden of solving climate change, something that older generations have been responsible for but politically refuse to address. When I look at Coronavirus, I see only opportunity for civilization and an improvement in the personal situations for many young people.

TheFiend7 7y ago

Children grouping together for school is a massive transmission vector no? I don't think this is necessarily about protecting specifically kids and rather reducing transmission.

fredgrott 7y ago

think please! How old are parents of children?? Children can give the virus to their parents..

b1ur 7y ago

transmission is bad, as they might carry it to more vulnerable people, but also it gives the virus more opportunities to mutate, which could hinder vaccine/treatment progress