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This makes no sense. How would someone get to the Bay Area from an infection area illegally, via submarine? Facts be facts, irrational xenophobia.

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dannyr 7y ago
It doesn't make sense unless it's crossing via land border In Mexico but there are 0 cases in Mexico.
- masonic 7y ago
  There are zero confirmed and reported cases in Mexico. Mexico is just the final stop for smuggling from about 50 different countries, including quite a few from Africa and the middle east.
- allovernow 7y ago
  Do you honestly believe that the third world Mexican medical establishment is likely to detect cases early? Do you trust the Mexican government to mount an effective response? Edit: people silently downvoting don't seem to understand the low likelihood of a a highly contagious, asymptomatic virus being detected before a major outbreak, and the sorry state of medical infrastructure in most of Mexico. Look at how quickly it spread after detection in Italy, Iran, and South Korea, nations with first world medical care. There's a good chance it's already spreading in the U.S. - some 7000 people in California being monitored, about 1000 in WA, 80 in Long Island, NY - there's no way we've caught all of the local outbreaks. Not to mention the tests have an absurdly high false positive rate.
  - dannyr 7y ago
    I don't. But do I have to assume that illegal immigrants are spreading the virus in the US?
  - jerrysievert 7y ago
    > Do you honestly believe that the third world Mexican medical establishment is likely to detect cases early? that assumes that something that you refer to as "third world" has a large enough international (asian for the most part) traveling populace to bring the disease back before countries that have a much higher GDP and thus much higher number of traveling citizens. what you're saying simply doesn't add up.
  - hombre_fatal 7y ago
    This doesn't even make sense. You can simply fly from any infected area in the world right into San Francisco, and San Fransisco gets massive travel volume from these places. Why even bring up Mexico? Btw, Mexico has public/free hospitals unlike the USA. You can bet that flu-like symptoms and higher IMSS volume shows up in Mexican media just like backed up hospitals always get national attention. Not sure why you think USA is going to have such a better response to this either. In Mexico, people can at least go to the hospital to get checked, even private hospitals are cheap. In USA, people will just gamble to save the $100 checkup and go to work. I know I would.
    - refurb 7y ago
      Not sure why you think USA is going to have such a better response to this either. Really? You can't see why the US might have a better response than Mexico?
- Simon_says 7y ago
  There are zero confirmed cases in Mexico.
allovernow 7y ago
This is no time for bleeding hearts. The virus originated in China. It is at best massively disruptive and at worst deadly on a large scale. Limiting contact based on the probabilistic prior of Chinese nationality is prudence, not xenophobia. And, by the way, this is an example of where blanket dismissing all anti-immigrant sentiment is empowering to those who you slander - when you minimize legitimate concerns by treating a complex problem as black and white you galvanize moderates who see nuance.
- aplummer 7y ago
  No seriously, it’s almost impossible to get via Mexico and into the United States, then straight to the Bay Area, within the incubation period, to the transfer the virus in community without leaving a massive wake of sick people elsewhere. Claiming this is related to illegal immigration is baseless xenophobia, the probability vs regular air travel is 0.0001%.
  - Johnny555 7y ago
    No seriously, it’s almost impossible to get via Mexico and into the United States, then straight to the Bay Area, within the incubation period, to the transfer the virus in community without leaving a massive wake of sick people elsewhere I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but Tijuana to San Francisco is only 520 miles -- 9 hours drive without traffic, and you can to it with only one gas stop in between (YMMV). So it seems very easy to get from Mexico straight to the Bay Area without leaving a wake of sick people behind.
- incompatible 7y ago
  Are you going to be demanding to see a passport from everybody you get near so that you can figure out which ones have Chinese nationality? It would be useless anyway, the number of new cases reported is now apparently larger outside China.
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dathinab 7y ago
Also we shouldn't forget that by know the virus head spread through many places in the world (through is still under control in most places it spread to from China). So by know it's quite possible for people to become infected through people of more out less any (widespread) nationality/ethnicity etc. Also it seems that most European who carried the virus to a new EU country where people traveling legally (business or holiday) _to a region believed to be not a risico region when they went there_. While illegal immigration can complicate things I believe it's very unlikely to become the main source. It's much more likely to come through legal travels, e.g. tourists. One problem I see which the US _might_ get is that due to their health system infected people, especially if the syntoms are not to bad, might be less willing to go to the hospital (for monetary reasons). I hope for the US that the state will cover that expenses independent of insurance status or something like that. It would be quite ironic if the US ends to with a uncontrolled outbreak due to monitor reasons...

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dannyr 7y ago

It doesn't make sense unless it's crossing via land border In Mexico but there are 0 cases in Mexico.

masonic 7y ago
There are zero confirmed and reported cases in Mexico. Mexico is just the final stop for smuggling from about 50 different countries, including quite a few from Africa and the middle east.
allovernow 7y ago
Do you honestly believe that the third world Mexican medical establishment is likely to detect cases early? Do you trust the Mexican government to mount an effective response? Edit: people silently downvoting don't seem to understand the low likelihood of a a highly contagious, asymptomatic virus being detected before a major outbreak, and the sorry state of medical infrastructure in most of Mexico. Look at how quickly it spread after detection in Italy, Iran, and South Korea, nations with first world medical care. There's a good chance it's already spreading in the U.S. - some 7000 people in California being monitored, about 1000 in WA, 80 in Long Island, NY - there's no way we've caught all of the local outbreaks. Not to mention the tests have an absurdly high false positive rate.
- dannyr 7y ago
  I don't. But do I have to assume that illegal immigrants are spreading the virus in the US?
- jerrysievert 7y ago
  > Do you honestly believe that the third world Mexican medical establishment is likely to detect cases early? that assumes that something that you refer to as "third world" has a large enough international (asian for the most part) traveling populace to bring the disease back before countries that have a much higher GDP and thus much higher number of traveling citizens. what you're saying simply doesn't add up.
- hombre_fatal 7y ago
  This doesn't even make sense. You can simply fly from any infected area in the world right into San Francisco, and San Fransisco gets massive travel volume from these places. Why even bring up Mexico? Btw, Mexico has public/free hospitals unlike the USA. You can bet that flu-like symptoms and higher IMSS volume shows up in Mexican media just like backed up hospitals always get national attention. Not sure why you think USA is going to have such a better response to this either. In Mexico, people can at least go to the hospital to get checked, even private hospitals are cheap. In USA, people will just gamble to save the $100 checkup and go to work. I know I would.
  - refurb 7y ago
    Not sure why you think USA is going to have such a better response to this either. Really? You can't see why the US might have a better response than Mexico?
Simon_says 7y ago
There are zero confirmed cases in Mexico.

allovernow 7y ago

This is no time for bleeding hearts. The virus originated in China. It is at best massively disruptive and at worst deadly on a large scale. Limiting contact based on the probabilistic prior of Chinese nationality is prudence, not xenophobia. And, by the way, this is an example of where blanket dismissing all anti-immigrant sentiment is empowering to those who you slander - when you minimize legitimate concerns by treating a complex problem as black and white you galvanize moderates who see nuance.

aplummer 7y ago
No seriously, it’s almost impossible to get via Mexico and into the United States, then straight to the Bay Area, within the incubation period, to the transfer the virus in community without leaving a massive wake of sick people elsewhere. Claiming this is related to illegal immigration is baseless xenophobia, the probability vs regular air travel is 0.0001%.
- Johnny555 7y ago
  No seriously, it’s almost impossible to get via Mexico and into the United States, then straight to the Bay Area, within the incubation period, to the transfer the virus in community without leaving a massive wake of sick people elsewhere I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but Tijuana to San Francisco is only 520 miles -- 9 hours drive without traffic, and you can to it with only one gas stop in between (YMMV). So it seems very easy to get from Mexico straight to the Bay Area without leaving a wake of sick people behind.
incompatible 7y ago
Are you going to be demanding to see a passport from everybody you get near so that you can figure out which ones have Chinese nationality? It would be useless anyway, the number of new cases reported is now apparently larger outside China.
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dathinab 7y ago

Also we shouldn't forget that by know the virus head spread through many places in the world (through is still under control in most places it spread to from China). So by know it's quite possible for people to become infected through people of more out less any (widespread) nationality/ethnicity etc. Also it seems that most European who carried the virus to a new EU country where people traveling legally (business or holiday) _to a region believed to be not a risico region when they went there_. While illegal immigration can complicate things I believe it's very unlikely to become the main source. It's much more likely to come through legal travels, e.g. tourists. One problem I see which the US _might_ get is that due to their health system infected people, especially if the syntoms are not to bad, might be less willing to go to the hospital (for monetary reasons). I hope for the US that the state will cover that expenses independent of insurance status or something like that. It would be quite ironic if the US ends to with a uncontrolled outbreak due to monitor reasons...