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Meanwhile, all I want is a simple high-DPI gaming mouse with a USB-C (rather than USB-A) connector, and it still doesn’t exist in 2020.

heelix 7y ago
Not sure about high performance mice, but Amazon does have some USB-C mice. I picked up for my daughter to play Stardew Valley on her mac. Was looking to avoid the daisy chain of adapters rather than a high sampling rate. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BMLJBJ8/ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BMLJBJ8/
- dhosek 7y ago
  Who uses non-Bluetooth mice now?
  - Polylactic_acid 7y ago
    People who enjoy latency free and battery free mice. If its at a desktop there is really no reason to not use a wired mouse. And a wired keyboard is basically essential since bluetooth doesn't work before the OS has booted.
    - emptysea 7y ago
      Not super scientific but Linus Tech Tips has a video comparing the latency of wired and wireless mice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhb7Njj3h8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhb7Njj3h8 TL;DR: wireless and wired gaming mice have the same response times, but normal wireless office mice have slower response times than their gaming counterparts.
      - NamTaf 7y ago
        My biggest issue with wireless office mice is that if the laptop de-prioritises bluetooth interrupts due to CPU load or whatever, then you get this really laggy response. I'm not entirely sure exactly what's going on, but if I open something heavy on my work laptop the mouse will have a 0.5-1 second delay in responding. This doesn't affect the touchpad, which I presume is running over a different protocol that has more real-time interrupts.
    - samplatt 7y ago
      While you're correct, there's lots of plain-RF wireless mice and keyboards that work just fine before the OS loads, and many people confuse "bluetooth" with "all wireless". Plus, some wireless mice are actually faster than some wired mice.
    - eropple 7y ago
      > If its at a desktop there is really no reason to not use a wired mouse. Sure there is. I don't want a cable across my desk and a desk grommet just to duck keyboard-and-mouse cables looks bad.
    - nkrisc 7y ago
      There's one reason: one less wire to deal with. I bought a Logitech G703 just to avoid the clutter and tugging on the cable when using it (and not having to buy or build a dampener for the cable). It has a cable I can use to charge it or use when it's low on charge, and I can't notice any difference in latency when it's wired or wireless, or compared to any wired mouse I've ever used. I'm also not playing many FPS, and definitely not anywhere near a competitive level, so even if there is some measurable latency it simply makes no difference to me. The wireless dongle is plugged into a USB port on my monitor so it's only about a foot away, though not quite direct LOS. And if I wanted to fork over $100 for Logitech's wireless charging mousepad, I'd never have to plug it in again. I probably won't, but it's an option. The only wire on my desk is for my keyboard.
  - wolrah 7y ago
    > Who uses non-Bluetooth mice now? Almost everyone using a full-size mouse. There are very few actual Bluetooth mice offered by a major vendor in a full-size format. They're pretty popular in the "laptop mouse" market where the mouse is made uncomfortably small for people who care more about portability than usability, but the majority of full size wireless mice use proprietary RF protocols rather than Bluetooth. A Logitech G rep once explained it to me, Bluetooth is technically capable of equaling USB mice but a lot of the Bluetooth adapters included in OEM PCs are hot garbage, so reliable performance is hard for them to achieve. That's why their last Bluetooth gaming mouse actually shipped with its own adapter built in to the charging base.
  - zeveb 7y ago
    Anyone for whom the phrase 'I have to charge my mouse' sounds insane. I have no devices using wireless protocols where a wired alternative is feasible. Why would I ever want to deal with the pain of wireless when cables are so easy to use?
    - nkrisc 7y ago
      My wireless mouse has a removable cable so I can charge and use it at the same time. It takes about 15 minutes to charge fully. It's really not that insane. 99% of the time I get to use my mouse with no cord dragging around, and it's never died on me because I can just plug it in when necessary.
undersuit 7y ago
You want the connector? I ask because my OnePlus 5 had a USB-C connector but it was actually USB2.0. Didn't USB3.0 forward change to have a pushing versus polling architecture?
wolrah 7y ago
There are a few mice that support operating as both wired and wireless which have a removable cable. The connector at the mouse end is usually Micro-B but I think there's at least one using C. Either way, you can easily replace the stock cable with one that has a C connector at the computer end.
vxNsr 7y ago
Yeah, not clear why logitech hasn't yet bought into usb-c... all their stuff is still usb-a you can't even get a unifying usb-c connector for your mac.
ars 7y ago
Can I ask why this is important to you? Can you not just use a small adapter?
- dmitshur 7y ago
  Sure, happy to explain. I currently own a Logitech Pro Gaming Mouse (the wired version, https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/pro-hero.html https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/pro-her...) and I'm very happy with it. However, it has a USB-A connector, and so I'm forced to carry and use a small adapter whenever I want to connect it to any 2016+ MacBook Pro, since they only have USB-C ports. If only there was an identical mouse but with a USB-C connector, I could stop having to carry a USB-C/A adapter with me. All my other peripherals have USB-C connectors, so the mouse is the only thing holding me back. It's not a big deal, but I am looking forward to being able to have all devices be able to connect via USB-C and be able to carry/own one fewer thing. It'd be slightly simpler and bring me a little joy.

heelix 7y ago

Not sure about high performance mice, but Amazon does have some USB-C mice. I picked up for my daughter to play Stardew Valley on her mac. Was looking to avoid the daisy chain of adapters rather than a high sampling rate. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BMLJBJ8/ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BMLJBJ8/

dhosek 7y ago
Who uses non-Bluetooth mice now?
- Polylactic_acid 7y ago
  People who enjoy latency free and battery free mice. If its at a desktop there is really no reason to not use a wired mouse. And a wired keyboard is basically essential since bluetooth doesn't work before the OS has booted.
  - emptysea 7y ago
    Not super scientific but Linus Tech Tips has a video comparing the latency of wired and wireless mice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhb7Njj3h8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhb7Njj3h8 TL;DR: wireless and wired gaming mice have the same response times, but normal wireless office mice have slower response times than their gaming counterparts.
    - NamTaf 7y ago
      My biggest issue with wireless office mice is that if the laptop de-prioritises bluetooth interrupts due to CPU load or whatever, then you get this really laggy response. I'm not entirely sure exactly what's going on, but if I open something heavy on my work laptop the mouse will have a 0.5-1 second delay in responding. This doesn't affect the touchpad, which I presume is running over a different protocol that has more real-time interrupts.
  - samplatt 7y ago
    While you're correct, there's lots of plain-RF wireless mice and keyboards that work just fine before the OS loads, and many people confuse "bluetooth" with "all wireless". Plus, some wireless mice are actually faster than some wired mice.
  - eropple 7y ago
    > If its at a desktop there is really no reason to not use a wired mouse. Sure there is. I don't want a cable across my desk and a desk grommet just to duck keyboard-and-mouse cables looks bad.
  - nkrisc 7y ago
    There's one reason: one less wire to deal with. I bought a Logitech G703 just to avoid the clutter and tugging on the cable when using it (and not having to buy or build a dampener for the cable). It has a cable I can use to charge it or use when it's low on charge, and I can't notice any difference in latency when it's wired or wireless, or compared to any wired mouse I've ever used. I'm also not playing many FPS, and definitely not anywhere near a competitive level, so even if there is some measurable latency it simply makes no difference to me. The wireless dongle is plugged into a USB port on my monitor so it's only about a foot away, though not quite direct LOS. And if I wanted to fork over $100 for Logitech's wireless charging mousepad, I'd never have to plug it in again. I probably won't, but it's an option. The only wire on my desk is for my keyboard.
- wolrah 7y ago
  > Who uses non-Bluetooth mice now? Almost everyone using a full-size mouse. There are very few actual Bluetooth mice offered by a major vendor in a full-size format. They're pretty popular in the "laptop mouse" market where the mouse is made uncomfortably small for people who care more about portability than usability, but the majority of full size wireless mice use proprietary RF protocols rather than Bluetooth. A Logitech G rep once explained it to me, Bluetooth is technically capable of equaling USB mice but a lot of the Bluetooth adapters included in OEM PCs are hot garbage, so reliable performance is hard for them to achieve. That's why their last Bluetooth gaming mouse actually shipped with its own adapter built in to the charging base.
- zeveb 7y ago
  Anyone for whom the phrase 'I have to charge my mouse' sounds insane. I have no devices using wireless protocols where a wired alternative is feasible. Why would I ever want to deal with the pain of wireless when cables are so easy to use?
  - nkrisc 7y ago
    My wireless mouse has a removable cable so I can charge and use it at the same time. It takes about 15 minutes to charge fully. It's really not that insane. 99% of the time I get to use my mouse with no cord dragging around, and it's never died on me because I can just plug it in when necessary.

undersuit 7y ago

You want the connector? I ask because my OnePlus 5 had a USB-C connector but it was actually USB2.0. Didn't USB3.0 forward change to have a pushing versus polling architecture?

wolrah 7y ago

There are a few mice that support operating as both wired and wireless which have a removable cable. The connector at the mouse end is usually Micro-B but I think there's at least one using C. Either way, you can easily replace the stock cable with one that has a C connector at the computer end.

vxNsr 7y ago

Yeah, not clear why logitech hasn't yet bought into usb-c... all their stuff is still usb-a you can't even get a unifying usb-c connector for your mac.

ars 7y ago

Can I ask why this is important to you? Can you not just use a small adapter?

dmitshur 7y ago
Sure, happy to explain. I currently own a Logitech Pro Gaming Mouse (the wired version, https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/pro-hero.html https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/pro-her...) and I'm very happy with it. However, it has a USB-A connector, and so I'm forced to carry and use a small adapter whenever I want to connect it to any 2016+ MacBook Pro, since they only have USB-C ports. If only there was an identical mouse but with a USB-C connector, I could stop having to carry a USB-C/A adapter with me. All my other peripherals have USB-C connectors, so the mouse is the only thing holding me back. It's not a big deal, but I am looking forward to being able to have all devices be able to connect via USB-C and be able to carry/own one fewer thing. It'd be slightly simpler and bring me a little joy.