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>The reason there was an uproar is that there's been a huge surge in vaping by kids... vaping spread through high schools like wildfire. The article directly c

>The reason there was an uproar is that there's been a huge surge in vaping by kids... vaping spread through high schools like wildfire. The article directly contradicts this statement and says it's a myth (number 5). >Our latest report found no evidence so far to support the concern that e-cigarettes are a route into smoking among young people. UK surveys show that young people are experimenting with e-cigarettes, but regular use is rare and confined almost entirely to those who already smoke. Meanwhile, smoking rates among young people in the UK continue to decline.

slg 7y ago
The article is denying that e-cig leads to traditional smoking. That isn't the same as e-cig usage going up among young people which is virtually undeniable. That also means the comparisons of e-cig being safer than cigarettes is less important for this group since they were unlikely to smoke without the existence of e-cigarettes.
- ShamelessC 7y ago
  I don't know what the facts are regarding whether e-cigarettes are some kind of "gateway" to real ones. It doesn't seem realistic to me but it's the kind of thing that should be studied properly before jumping to conclusions. Having said that, the concept does seem very strange to me as someone who used to smoke and switched to vaping because it's better in every way. It tastes better (with so much more variety in flavors), it's not as harsh on your throat and it doesn't leave an embarrassing odor on your body that non-smokers will judge you for. The only reasonable conclusion I personally could come to is that people are more likely to switch from smoking to vaping and very rarely the other way around. Again, this isn't scientific. Also, kids shouldn't vape or smoke. Period. _But_, if they do vape and get addicted to nicotine at a young age, I personally find it preposterous that they would switch to cigarettes for their nicotine in large numbers.
- xyzzy123 7y ago
  Your argument is that vape using teenagers were unlikely to have smoked. I think it's hard to tell if vaping is diverting teenagers who otherwise would have smoked, or simply creating a new habit. There are some intertwingled effects where increased vape use (and decreased smoker population) might be contributing to the unfashionability of smoking, both among teenagers and in society at large. Perhaps we could compare teenage smoking rates in countries where e-cigarettes are banned / unavailable versus countries where they are available. I don't have this data or any studies to point to, but I would be interested to know more.
  - bosswipe 7y ago
    The evidence is pretty strong when you look at the data, https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/blog_cigarettes_vaping_adolescents.gif https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/blog_...
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- AstralStorm 7y ago
  We actually have no long term evidence that vaping specific mixes is safe with regards to cancer and lung disease endpoints. Maybe safer in a sense that normal bullets are safer to get shot with than depleted uranium rounds... Even tobacco chewing is associated with (oral) cancer. Lower rates than smoking and lung cancer, but still. Could use some data on pure nicotine.
DanBC 7y ago
The submitted article is about the UK, where vaping seems to be limited to ex smokers. That's not the case in the US where a bunch of non smokers, often young people, started vaping.

slg 7y ago

The article is denying that e-cig leads to traditional smoking. That isn't the same as e-cig usage going up among young people which is virtually undeniable. That also means the comparisons of e-cig being safer than cigarettes is less important for this group since they were unlikely to smoke without the existence of e-cigarettes.

ShamelessC 7y ago
I don't know what the facts are regarding whether e-cigarettes are some kind of "gateway" to real ones. It doesn't seem realistic to me but it's the kind of thing that should be studied properly before jumping to conclusions. Having said that, the concept does seem very strange to me as someone who used to smoke and switched to vaping because it's better in every way. It tastes better (with so much more variety in flavors), it's not as harsh on your throat and it doesn't leave an embarrassing odor on your body that non-smokers will judge you for. The only reasonable conclusion I personally could come to is that people are more likely to switch from smoking to vaping and very rarely the other way around. Again, this isn't scientific. Also, kids shouldn't vape or smoke. Period. _But_, if they do vape and get addicted to nicotine at a young age, I personally find it preposterous that they would switch to cigarettes for their nicotine in large numbers.
xyzzy123 7y ago
Your argument is that vape using teenagers were unlikely to have smoked. I think it's hard to tell if vaping is diverting teenagers who otherwise would have smoked, or simply creating a new habit. There are some intertwingled effects where increased vape use (and decreased smoker population) might be contributing to the unfashionability of smoking, both among teenagers and in society at large. Perhaps we could compare teenage smoking rates in countries where e-cigarettes are banned / unavailable versus countries where they are available. I don't have this data or any studies to point to, but I would be interested to know more.
- bosswipe 7y ago
  The evidence is pretty strong when you look at the data, https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/blog_cigarettes_vaping_adolescents.gif https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/blog_...
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AstralStorm 7y ago
We actually have no long term evidence that vaping specific mixes is safe with regards to cancer and lung disease endpoints. Maybe safer in a sense that normal bullets are safer to get shot with than depleted uranium rounds... Even tobacco chewing is associated with (oral) cancer. Lower rates than smoking and lung cancer, but still. Could use some data on pure nicotine.

DanBC 7y ago

The submitted article is about the UK, where vaping seems to be limited to ex smokers. That's not the case in the US where a bunch of non smokers, often young people, started vaping.