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This is not the proper way to discuss safety. Protocols and regulations are responsible, not just people and organizations. When aviation accidents happen, the
by nexuist 7y ago
This is not the proper way to discuss safety. Protocols and regulations are responsible, not just people and organizations. When aviation accidents happen, the broader goal of agencies such as the FAA/NTSB is to identify what to change, not who to blame.
The broader point of my discussion is that this could have happened to any biolab, and it is important to figure out what happened so that if it did come from this lab, the proper measures can be taken to make sure it doesn't happen again.
If you want to talk about China specifically, here is a key Nature article: https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487 https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to...
> But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
Also, biolab incidents are as much of a conspiracy theory as historical events.
The article I link itself mentioned the SARS outbreaks in Beijing, indicating a previous safety issue.
In 1971 a Soviet bioweapon facility conducted an open air test of smallpox and accidentally infected 10 people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_smallpox_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_smallpox_incident
At some point in the 1970s a Soviet bioweaponeer named Nikolai Ustinov accidentally injected himself with an extremely viral load of Marburg virus and died: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus#Biological_weapon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus#Biological_weapo...
In 1978 a British photographer was "accidentally exposed to a strain of smallpox virus that had been grown in a research laboratory on the floor below her workplace": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_smallpox_outbreak_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_smallpox_outbreak_in_the_...
In 1979 a Soviet bioweapon facility accidentally released anthrax into the open air and killed 100 people (officially): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlovsk_anthrax_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlovsk_anthrax_leak
In 2004 a Russian scientist died of Ebola after accidentally injecting herself with it: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/25/world/russian-scientist-dies-in-ebola-accident-at-former-weapons-lab.html https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/25/world/russian-scientist-d...
In 2009 an American researcher came down with the Plague and died after being exposed to it in his lab: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6007a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6007a1.htm
Want more? Here's 450 (!!!) results from the CDC itself for the query "Laboratory-Acquired Infection": https://search.cdc.gov/search/index.html?query=Laboratory-Acquired+Infection https://search.cdc.gov/search/index.html?query=Laboratory-Ac...
Countries range from the United States to India. To believe that China is somehow immune from human error is naive.
- thatguy0900 7y agoTwo of these people injected themselves with things? Is it common practice to administer your own vaccines while in a biolab or something?
- nexuist 7y agoWorking with viruses entails working with needles, so it's not ridiculous to foresee an event where a shaky hand or muscle memory could fail and cause you to inject yourself. In the case of the Ustinov incident, he was attempting to inject a guinea pig with an engineered version of what the Soviet Union had acquired from Kenya, and the guinea pig squirmed at just the wrong moment. Historically it may have been the highest viral load of Marburg Fever a human being has ever been exposed to. Ustinov took notes of his own deteriorating condition while his wife, who was also a researcher at the same lab, watched from outside the quarantine ward as his own organs liquefied into black goo. Eventually he was no longer able to use his own hands to write, fading in and out of consciousness, and he died two weeks later after the Soviet Union had exhausted its entire stock of Marburg antiserum. It was not a pleasant time. Working on animals also entail working with needles, since in most cases you need to inject them with things that aren't airborne or aerosolized.
- blackrock 7y agoThis sounds like Ebola.
- nexuist 7y agoVery much so. It's in the same class of viruses (filoviruses) as Ebola. It can only be handled in BSL-4 labs, but even then, there can be accidents. > The virus can be transmitted by exposure to one species of fruit bats or it can be transmitted between people via body fluids through unprotected sex and broken skin. The disease can cause bleeding (hemorrhage), fever and other symptoms similar to Ebola. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filoviridae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filoviridae