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Oh, C++. I do not like that language. I have always felt that C++ is a language too complicated in a time where keeping it simple is key. The fact that it need

by yuvadam 16y ago

Oh, C++. I do not like that language. I have always felt that C++ is a language too complicated in a time where keeping it simple is key. The fact that it needs a style guide that long says it all.

angrycoder 16y ago
Regardless of language, that is a fairly terse style guide for a company the size of google. Especially when you consider the scale of their applications.
robyates 16y ago
Think about it this way: The web browser you are reading this on was likely written using C++. Here's a link explaining why C++ was chosen: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41883/why-are-most-browsers-developed-in-c/41921#41921 http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41883/why-are... Also, 99% of all commercial games for Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii are written in C++ (probably also with some Lua for scripting). Like it or not, C++ is still the dominant language for these domains.
- robyates 16y ago
  Ok, I know this post is a couple days by now, but if you want to read more the eternal debate that is the C++ programming language, check out this article: http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/coders-c-plus-plus/ http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/coders-c-plus-pl... There's actually 2 Hacker News posts already linking to this article, so you can read the comments are posted there as well: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=885482 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=885482 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2220917 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2220917
uytghjhgf 16y ago
You should see the size of the style guides for the foundation and steelwork on a sky-scraper! Of course if you are simply building forts out of sofa cushions then you don't need all this.
phatbyte 16y ago
In order for us to have simple languages they need to be created from low-level ones. I also think C++ is too complicated, but it's an amazing powerful language, if you master c++ you can pretty much master any language out there.
- yuvadam 16y ago
  Obviously we need low level languages. Assembly and C are beautiful languages, even compared to other high level ones. I enjoyed every minute of learning them. Deep knowledge of C++ is something I would love to have, and I have much respect for those who can grasp all of its concepts.
steve918 16y ago
People love to hate on C++, but if your going to, at least hate on things that are actually broken. For instance every non-trivial language with more than a couple of programmers working with it will have some style (maybe less formal) style guide. Python is often hailed as 'executable sudo-code' yet the community has a style guide, pep8. (Interestingly Google has their own style guide for Python.) There are plenty of valid reasons to hate on C++, but being a cowboy coder isn't really a valid one.
- kinetik 16y ago
  Pseudo.
- nostrademons 16y ago
  Is the open-source Google Python styleguide all that different from PEP 8? It seems basically the same in most of the cases that matter.

by yuvadam 16y ago

Oh, C++. I do not like that language. I have always felt that C++ is a language too complicated in a time where keeping it simple is key. The fact that it needs a style guide that long says it all.

angrycoder 16y ago

Regardless of language, that is a fairly terse style guide for a company the size of google. Especially when you consider the scale of their applications.

robyates 16y ago

Think about it this way: The web browser you are reading this on was likely written using C++. Here's a link explaining why C++ was chosen: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41883/why-are-most-browsers-developed-in-c/41921#41921 http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41883/why-are... Also, 99% of all commercial games for Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii are written in C++ (probably also with some Lua for scripting). Like it or not, C++ is still the dominant language for these domains.

robyates 16y ago
Ok, I know this post is a couple days by now, but if you want to read more the eternal debate that is the C++ programming language, check out this article: http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/coders-c-plus-plus/ http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/coders-c-plus-pl... There's actually 2 Hacker News posts already linking to this article, so you can read the comments are posted there as well: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=885482 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=885482 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2220917 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2220917

uytghjhgf 16y ago

You should see the size of the style guides for the foundation and steelwork on a sky-scraper! Of course if you are simply building forts out of sofa cushions then you don't need all this.

phatbyte 16y ago

In order for us to have simple languages they need to be created from low-level ones. I also think C++ is too complicated, but it's an amazing powerful language, if you master c++ you can pretty much master any language out there.

yuvadam 16y ago
Obviously we need low level languages. Assembly and C are beautiful languages, even compared to other high level ones. I enjoyed every minute of learning them. Deep knowledge of C++ is something I would love to have, and I have much respect for those who can grasp all of its concepts.

steve918 16y ago

People love to hate on C++, but if your going to, at least hate on things that are actually broken. For instance every non-trivial language with more than a couple of programmers working with it will have some style (maybe less formal) style guide. Python is often hailed as 'executable sudo-code' yet the community has a style guide, pep8. (Interestingly Google has their own style guide for Python.) There are plenty of valid reasons to hate on C++, but being a cowboy coder isn't really a valid one.

kinetik 16y ago
Pseudo.
nostrademons 16y ago
Is the open-source Google Python styleguide all that different from PEP 8? It seems basically the same in most of the cases that matter.