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> This was in the capital of one of the poorest countries in Europe, but it was still one of the safest places I've ever been. Obviously if you put all people

> This was in the capital of one of the poorest countries in Europe, but it was still one of the safest places I've ever been. Obviously if you put all people in jail they will be very safe there. But then you have less people working and producing more useful stuff than rotting in jail. The best example I give of this trade off between freedom and safety is that of women in saudi arabia. They have the least amount of sexual violence in the world.

lastres0rt 7y ago
Well of course they do; it's not rape there as long as you marry the 12-year-old first.
- labawi 7y ago
  It can suffice to marry the girl after rape (not sure of country and specifics).
- btilly 7y ago
  In Sharia law, you need 4 witnesses to prove fornication. Bringing a charge without the evidence subjects the one who brought it to 80 lashes. Whether or not this applies to rape is a question of debate. However in Pakistan it certainly has been interpreted to so apply. Which means that it is very hard for a woman to prove that she was raped. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud#Requirements_for_conviction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud#Requirements_for_convict... for verification.
dao- 7y ago
> > This was in the capital of one of the poorest countries in Europe, but it was still one of the safest places I've ever been. > Obviously if you put all people in jail they will be very safe there. But then you have less people working and producing more useful stuff than rotting in jail. Friendly reminder that the US has the highest incarceration rate of all countries. > The best example I give of this trade off between freedom and safety is that of women in saudi arabia. They have the least amount of sexual violence in the world. Is this according to their official statistics? How do they know they're accurate and comparable? For instance, is rape within marriage considered a crime and regularly prosecuted there?
- vanniv 7y ago
  The US has the highest incarceration rate of countries from which you can trust the statistics. That is a different thing.
belval 7y ago
This is plain false, with no legislation protecting women from marital rape and punishment for women who report rape, nothing indicates that Saudi Arabia actually has "the least amount of sexual violence in the world" this is a laughable statement at best. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia
- brokenmachine 7y ago
  I think that is the point that OP was making.

lastres0rt 7y ago

Well of course they do; it's not rape there as long as you marry the 12-year-old first.

labawi 7y ago
It can suffice to marry the girl after rape (not sure of country and specifics).
btilly 7y ago
In Sharia law, you need 4 witnesses to prove fornication. Bringing a charge without the evidence subjects the one who brought it to 80 lashes. Whether or not this applies to rape is a question of debate. However in Pakistan it certainly has been interpreted to so apply. Which means that it is very hard for a woman to prove that she was raped. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud#Requirements_for_conviction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud#Requirements_for_convict... for verification.

dao- 7y ago

> > This was in the capital of one of the poorest countries in Europe, but it was still one of the safest places I've ever been. > Obviously if you put all people in jail they will be very safe there. But then you have less people working and producing more useful stuff than rotting in jail. Friendly reminder that the US has the highest incarceration rate of all countries. > The best example I give of this trade off between freedom and safety is that of women in saudi arabia. They have the least amount of sexual violence in the world. Is this according to their official statistics? How do they know they're accurate and comparable? For instance, is rape within marriage considered a crime and regularly prosecuted there?

vanniv 7y ago
The US has the highest incarceration rate of countries from which you can trust the statistics. That is a different thing.

belval 7y ago

This is plain false, with no legislation protecting women from marital rape and punishment for women who report rape, nothing indicates that Saudi Arabia actually has "the least amount of sexual violence in the world" this is a laughable statement at best. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia

brokenmachine 7y ago
I think that is the point that OP was making.