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For me at least this is the thing that will push me to leave and renounce citizenship. I am sure I represent an insignificant minority to them, but I can't live

For me at least this is the thing that will push me to leave and renounce citizenship. I am sure I represent an insignificant minority to them, but I can't live somewhere without my own security on my data and cryptocurrency. Over the last few years I moved basically all my assets into Bitcoin and have left the legacy banking systems behind. With a few keystrokes they can lock you totally out of all your funds and you can do nothing about it except complain. This is totally unacceptable to me. I still pay taxes and have a salary job of course. But I don't trust the banks at all.

Karunamon 7y ago
I don't mean this to sound snippy, but where would you go? Most non-US countries I'm aware of have even worse restrictions around speech, encryption, and so forth.
- Retric 7y ago
  New Zealand has stronger free speech protection than the US and no encryption issues. More freedom of the press and even ‘free’ heathcare for citizens or permanent residents make it a solid contender.
  - Acrobatic_Road 7y ago
    https://www.computerworld.com/article/3468958/the-uk-and-nz-laws-inspiring-australia-s-encryption-crackdown.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3468958/the-uk-and-nz-... >New Zealand’s Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Act was introduced in 2013. >On receipt of a warrant from a surveillance agency, a network operator – defined as a public telecommunications network or a telecommunications service – must “decrypt a telecommunication” on their network or service, but only if it has “provided that encryption”.
  - Mirioron 7y ago
    Are you talking about the same New Zealand that literally has a government position called Chief Censor? The same New Zealand that tried to censor sites after the attacks? The same New Zealand that then went on to push for weakening free speech protections online?[0] New Zealand is at the bottom of the list for me when I consider western countries that protect free speech. [0] https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1905/S00277/new-zealand-pm-leads-global-internet-censorship-campaign.htm https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1905/S00277/new-zealand-pm...
  - heartbeats 7y ago
    > stronger free speech protection than the US You do realize this is the same country which made it punishable by up to 10 years' prison to have a specific terrorist's manifesto on your computer? https://apnews.com/162e85e9418240d3ae3650c8f59caf56 https://apnews.com/162e85e9418240d3ae3650c8f59caf56
  - rasengan 7y ago
    All countries owned by “her majesty” are anti encryption. Look up the Queen of New Zealand - many know but I’m sure some will be surprised. Sadly, that same world leader is the strongest anti encryption and censorship advocate.
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  My expat friends and family have mostly set up shop in Germany. It seems like Germany has pretty strong encryption support[1]. Doesn't hurt that they also bought homes there at around 1% interest and get no less than 6 weeks PTO a piece. [1]:https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/05/30/encryption-debate-in-germany-pub-79215 https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/05/30/encryption-debate-i...
- solotronics 7y ago
  I have a US and UK passport. I would probably end up in Singapore or a Nordic country? I always figured I would evaluate my options if that time ever came.
  - Klonoar 7y ago
    Singapore is a democracy in name only and is its own budding surveillance nightmare.
  - martin8412 7y ago
    Don't bother with the Nordic countries if trying to avoid surveilance. Surveillance shitholes and it's only getting worse. Denmark has been illegally requiring all telcos to monitor everything for years, and nothing has changed. No one is willing to change anything or impose any consequence for it. It's even gotten people falsely imprisoned due to complete reliance on location data from mobile phones. Sweden is not much better, and just passed legislation allowing law enforcement to hack people's phones. I'm almost certain that Norway, Finland and Iceland are no better.
  - literallycancer 7y ago
    Your best bet are countries where people still remember what it's like living under an oppressive regime.
- trevyn 7y ago
  Someplace where the government is too weak to care. Most countries with a GDP/capita under $20k qualify.

Karunamon 7y ago

I don't mean this to sound snippy, but where would you go? Most non-US countries I'm aware of have even worse restrictions around speech, encryption, and so forth.

Retric 7y ago
New Zealand has stronger free speech protection than the US and no encryption issues. More freedom of the press and even ‘free’ heathcare for citizens or permanent residents make it a solid contender.
- Acrobatic_Road 7y ago
  https://www.computerworld.com/article/3468958/the-uk-and-nz-laws-inspiring-australia-s-encryption-crackdown.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3468958/the-uk-and-nz-... >New Zealand’s Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Act was introduced in 2013. >On receipt of a warrant from a surveillance agency, a network operator – defined as a public telecommunications network or a telecommunications service – must “decrypt a telecommunication” on their network or service, but only if it has “provided that encryption”.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  Are you talking about the same New Zealand that literally has a government position called Chief Censor? The same New Zealand that tried to censor sites after the attacks? The same New Zealand that then went on to push for weakening free speech protections online?[0] New Zealand is at the bottom of the list for me when I consider western countries that protect free speech. [0] https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1905/S00277/new-zealand-pm-leads-global-internet-censorship-campaign.htm https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1905/S00277/new-zealand-pm...
- heartbeats 7y ago
  > stronger free speech protection than the US You do realize this is the same country which made it punishable by up to 10 years' prison to have a specific terrorist's manifesto on your computer? https://apnews.com/162e85e9418240d3ae3650c8f59caf56 https://apnews.com/162e85e9418240d3ae3650c8f59caf56
- rasengan 7y ago
  All countries owned by “her majesty” are anti encryption. Look up the Queen of New Zealand - many know but I’m sure some will be surprised. Sadly, that same world leader is the strongest anti encryption and censorship advocate.
ilikehurdles 7y ago
My expat friends and family have mostly set up shop in Germany. It seems like Germany has pretty strong encryption support[1]. Doesn't hurt that they also bought homes there at around 1% interest and get no less than 6 weeks PTO a piece. [1]:https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/05/30/encryption-debate-in-germany-pub-79215 https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/05/30/encryption-debate-i...
solotronics 7y ago
I have a US and UK passport. I would probably end up in Singapore or a Nordic country? I always figured I would evaluate my options if that time ever came.
- Klonoar 7y ago
  Singapore is a democracy in name only and is its own budding surveillance nightmare.
- martin8412 7y ago
  Don't bother with the Nordic countries if trying to avoid surveilance. Surveillance shitholes and it's only getting worse. Denmark has been illegally requiring all telcos to monitor everything for years, and nothing has changed. No one is willing to change anything or impose any consequence for it. It's even gotten people falsely imprisoned due to complete reliance on location data from mobile phones. Sweden is not much better, and just passed legislation allowing law enforcement to hack people's phones. I'm almost certain that Norway, Finland and Iceland are no better.
- literallycancer 7y ago
  Your best bet are countries where people still remember what it's like living under an oppressive regime.
trevyn 7y ago
Someplace where the government is too weak to care. Most countries with a GDP/capita under $20k qualify.