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Bats really do seem to serve as viral reservoirs at an exceptionally high rate[1]. SARS, MERS, coronavirus and ebola all likely seem to have originated in bats.

Bats really do seem to serve as viral reservoirs at an exceptionally high rate[1]. SARS, MERS, coronavirus and ebola all likely seem to have originated in bats. One thing we may have to consider is a policy of bat eradication. At least in populated areas. It would have some ecological consequences, but the risk of mass pandemic probably outweighs that cost. [1]https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=JnBpAgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA195&dq=bats+as+viral+reservoirs&ots=NnUojPhgh5&sig=9eFGutqoVZGppcEs-SO6hoWfMmg#v=onepage&q=bats%20as%20viral%20reservoirs&f=false https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=JnBpAgAAQBAJ&oi=...

jmnicolas 7y ago
You could also replace "bats" by "humans" in your sentence ;)
dahfizz 7y ago
Getting people to stop eating bats would get us 95% of the benefit for 5% the effort.
pvaldes 7y ago
Removing bats would create millionary damages in agriculture and would hit specially hard the tropical fruitculture. Kiling millions from famine and collapsing the ecology of tropical rainforests just to avoid a disease with a 96% probability of surviving is a really bad idea.
jschwartzi 7y ago
What's your opinion on Kudzu or Himalayan Blackberry as erosion control devices?
triceratops 7y ago
I don't often say this outright, but that's a dumb idea. "Insectivorous bats in particular are especially helpful to farmers, as they control populations of agricultural pests... It has been estimated that bats save the agricultural industry of the United States anywhere from $3.7 billion to $53 billion per year in pesticides and damage to crops."[1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Economics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Economics
- dcolkitt 7y ago
  > It has been estimated that bats save the agricultural industry of the United States anywhere from $3.7 billion to $53 billion per year in pesticides and damage to crops In comparison, the coronavirus scare has wiped out $1.5 trillion from US equity valuations just in the past two days. Even taking the higher end of that estimate, preventing one coronavirus epidemic every 20 years still passes cost benefit analysis.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
    I do not consider vagaries of the stock market a valid reason to potentially wipe out an entire species. More than that, you correctly identify it as a scare, which should be a clear indication how a short-sighted policy that may be.
  - triceratops 7y ago
    Valuations != realized losses. Not to mention eradication efforts are expensive and can have their own unintended consequences. Offer a bounty, and now you have people breeding bats for the bounties. Introduce a bat-specific disease and it may mutate into something else. A bat-specific poison could turn out to poison things we care about. Like seriously, it's a stupid idea. I'm sad I wasted so much time even debating you.
blackrock 7y ago
> One thing we may have to consider is a policy of bat eradication. Holy crap! This is a bad idea. Just leave the bats alone. They serve as an apex predator to provide balance to the natural environment.

jmnicolas 7y ago

You could also replace "bats" by "humans" in your sentence ;)

dahfizz 7y ago

Getting people to stop eating bats would get us 95% of the benefit for 5% the effort.

pvaldes 7y ago

Removing bats would create millionary damages in agriculture and would hit specially hard the tropical fruitculture. Kiling millions from famine and collapsing the ecology of tropical rainforests just to avoid a disease with a 96% probability of surviving is a really bad idea.

jschwartzi 7y ago

What's your opinion on Kudzu or Himalayan Blackberry as erosion control devices?

triceratops 7y ago

I don't often say this outright, but that's a dumb idea. "Insectivorous bats in particular are especially helpful to farmers, as they control populations of agricultural pests... It has been estimated that bats save the agricultural industry of the United States anywhere from $3.7 billion to $53 billion per year in pesticides and damage to crops."[1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Economics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Economics

dcolkitt 7y ago
> It has been estimated that bats save the agricultural industry of the United States anywhere from $3.7 billion to $53 billion per year in pesticides and damage to crops In comparison, the coronavirus scare has wiped out $1.5 trillion from US equity valuations just in the past two days. Even taking the higher end of that estimate, preventing one coronavirus epidemic every 20 years still passes cost benefit analysis.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
  I do not consider vagaries of the stock market a valid reason to potentially wipe out an entire species. More than that, you correctly identify it as a scare, which should be a clear indication how a short-sighted policy that may be.
- triceratops 7y ago
  Valuations != realized losses. Not to mention eradication efforts are expensive and can have their own unintended consequences. Offer a bounty, and now you have people breeding bats for the bounties. Introduce a bat-specific disease and it may mutate into something else. A bat-specific poison could turn out to poison things we care about. Like seriously, it's a stupid idea. I'm sad I wasted so much time even debating you.

blackrock 7y ago

> One thing we may have to consider is a policy of bat eradication. Holy crap! This is a bad idea. Just leave the bats alone. They serve as an apex predator to provide balance to the natural environment.