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To have a source for replacement organs?

by jcims 7y ago

petschge 7y ago
You are not even allowed to take the organs of a recently dead body if the person did not agree to that before death. Why would you be allowed to do it to a live person?!
- Ygg2 7y ago
  I mean, there are countries that don't care about human rights and possess the necessary technology. However, growing whole human for just an organ or two is a huge waste of resources.
  - waterhouse 7y ago
    The book The House of the Scorpion has, as part of its premise, some ultra-rich drug lords who raise clones for organ replacements. (Seems like the right combination of rich and unscrupulous.) Most of those clones are injected with something to disable their brains at birth, with at least one exception.
- jerf 7y ago
  "Why would you be allowed to do it to a live person?" Because you are the government making the rules, or you have a few billion dollars and can easily hide it. I'm not sure anyone's doing it, but if it is truly the case that nobody has cloned a human, it isn't because of "the rules". "The rules" don't apply to everywhere or to everybody.
- iso1210 7y ago
  Ask Falun Gong followers > An independent tribunal sitting in London has concluded that the killing of detainees in China for organ transplants is continuing, and victims include imprisoned followers of the Falun Gong movement. > The China Tribunal, chaired by Sir Geoffrey Nice QC, who was a prosecutor at the international criminal tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, said in a unanimous determination at the end of its hearings it was “certain that Falun Gong as a source - probably the principal source - of organs for forced organ harvesting”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harve...
- deleted 7y ago
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- scottlocklin 7y ago
  Man you don't get out much. There are really bad people out there, and really bad places: it's big business in certain parts of the world.
m4rtink 7y ago
Even if you discount how morally wrong this is, cloning does not imply accelerated growth. Even if you started now, your (likely) involunatary donor will not be ready for many years, likely long enough for your morally corupt self to be long dead due to organ failure by then.
- jcims 7y ago
  The question was ‘Why would you invest a lot of time and effort into that?’ If you’re Kim Jong-un, why wouldn’t you build in a little insurance for 20 years down the road? The entire promise that no human has been cloned is suspect anyway. The only thing we can say for sure is that there’s no public record of it. But it’s been possible for quite some time and the likelihood that nobody has ever done it anywhere seems quite low. It’s way less ethical to artificially modify the genome of a human, and we know that’s happened already.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    "It’s way less ethical to artificially modify the genome of a human" It is? You are talking about the various attempts to treat illness in this way, or something else?
ccozan 7y ago
This is actually the plot of The Island [1] [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_44 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_44
Symmetry 7y ago
What sort of person is willing to murder a close relative and harvest their body for organs? I've never heard of that happening with anybody and an identical twin, even one raised apart from them. I think this is even less likely in the cloning for organs scenario given that you'd have to bring someone into the world and raise them from birth intending to murder them later. Though of course if you can clone just a liver, say, that's a different issue and that might very well be the main source of clonings in the future.

To have a source for replacement organs?

by jcims 7y ago

To have a source for replacement organs?

You are not even allowed to take the organs of a recently dead body if the person did not agree to that before death. Why would you be allowed to do it to a live person?!

Ygg2 7y ago
I mean, there are countries that don't care about human rights and possess the necessary technology. However, growing whole human for just an organ or two is a huge waste of resources.
- waterhouse 7y ago
  The book The House of the Scorpion has, as part of its premise, some ultra-rich drug lords who raise clones for organ replacements. (Seems like the right combination of rich and unscrupulous.) Most of those clones are injected with something to disable their brains at birth, with at least one exception.
jerf 7y ago
"Why would you be allowed to do it to a live person?" Because you are the government making the rules, or you have a few billion dollars and can easily hide it. I'm not sure anyone's doing it, but if it is truly the case that nobody has cloned a human, it isn't because of "the rules". "The rules" don't apply to everywhere or to everybody.
iso1210 7y ago
Ask Falun Gong followers > An independent tribunal sitting in London has concluded that the killing of detainees in China for organ transplants is continuing, and victims include imprisoned followers of the Falun Gong movement. > The China Tribunal, chaired by Sir Geoffrey Nice QC, who was a prosecutor at the international criminal tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, said in a unanimous determination at the end of its hearings it was “certain that Falun Gong as a source - probably the principal source - of organs for forced organ harvesting”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harvesting-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/17/china-is-harve...
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scottlocklin 7y ago
Man you don't get out much. There are really bad people out there, and really bad places: it's big business in certain parts of the world.

m4rtink 7y ago

Even if you discount how morally wrong this is, cloning does not imply accelerated growth. Even if you started now, your (likely) involunatary donor will not be ready for many years, likely long enough for your morally corupt self to be long dead due to organ failure by then.

jcims 7y ago
The question was ‘Why would you invest a lot of time and effort into that?’ If you’re Kim Jong-un, why wouldn’t you build in a little insurance for 20 years down the road? The entire promise that no human has been cloned is suspect anyway. The only thing we can say for sure is that there’s no public record of it. But it’s been possible for quite some time and the likelihood that nobody has ever done it anywhere seems quite low. It’s way less ethical to artificially modify the genome of a human, and we know that’s happened already.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  "It’s way less ethical to artificially modify the genome of a human" It is? You are talking about the various attempts to treat illness in this way, or something else?

ccozan 7y ago

This is actually the plot of The Island [1] [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_44 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_44

Symmetry 7y ago

What sort of person is willing to murder a close relative and harvest their body for organs? I've never heard of that happening with anybody and an identical twin, even one raised apart from them. I think this is even less likely in the cloning for organs scenario given that you'd have to bring someone into the world and raise them from birth intending to murder them later. Though of course if you can clone just a liver, say, that's a different issue and that might very well be the main source of clonings in the future.