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What's he supposed to do? He went out of his way to put it in the polite way for you. Unless you want to go into complete incomprehensibility, it's a "rock and

What's he supposed to do? He went out of his way to put it in the polite way for you. Unless you want to go into complete incomprehensibility, it's a "rock and a hard place" situation.

HBKXNCUO 7y ago
He's supposed to think the same way as them, of course.
oska 7y ago
Personally, I'd prefer such comments not to be made in a euphemistic way and just speak plainly. If you have concerns (valid or not) with immigrants not following the native culture and social norms then say that.
- HBKXNCUO 7y ago
  Which method do you think is less likely to result in flags / bans on message boards these days?
  - oska 7y ago
    Well, looking at this sub-thread, I've just watched you keep your cool while pasabagi throws insults at you. So I would hope their behaviour would be more likely to result in bans.
    - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
      It looks like even putting it nicely did not save tasogare's comment from our most brave and wonderful moderator. Many of mine were also flagged, despite me being extremely polite.
- heartbeats 7y ago
  Yeah, but that goes against the rules. In civilized conversation, your only choice is to use incomprehensible euphemisms. He did a really great job - there is no kind of dog-whistle or outright strange language ("the urban crowd"). Perhaps he could have wrote 'normal french', but that's honestly a minor gripe. You really have no choice but to phrase yourself in a way that's only recognizable to the in-crowd. Even here, with the polite expression, he is catching flak. Personally, I don't discuss politics in real life anymore. Risks are too great. Just the Internet, where on some forums (not this one), you can be honest about what you think.
- tasogare 7y ago
  I could totally write the main races involved here (and I do when speaking in public) but no only this would triggers too much people, it’s also wrong to generalize a situation in two words, especially in an international place were readers don’t have the background about the situation nor the linguistics abilitiy to acquire it. Moreover, plenty of non-White French are integrated in the national community because they speak French, they eat our foods, think mostly like us, and follow our laws and traditions or at least don’t spit on them openly. So, it’s unfair to them to put them in same bag by throwing around anathema based on ethnical background. On the other side, there is a visible portion (about 10%) that openly hate France, its culture and its people. They routinely kill people for religious matter, degrade churches (one every two days per Vatican numbers), harass women in the street, physically attack people often in gang (120 daily knife aggression countrywide), do thefts, etc. All the crimes listed here are like 80%+ committed by people with visible foreign origin. But sure, stating an opinion is the real problem, while aggressing people for being White or non-Muslim is totally not racism... PS: and before someone come with "you read too much the news", I have numerous stories of female friends being robbed (including one being robbed two times and beat by 3 guys in the same day), and also an acquaintance almost killed in a famous terror attack. Each and every case have been cause by non-White non-Asian people. And of course, not even 1/50th of that ever happened to me or my friends abroad in countries which have a immigration policy that makes sense.
  - oska 7y ago
    > But sure, stating an opinion is the real problem Where do you get that? All I suggested was you express your opinion clearly, rather than euphemistically.
  - pasabagi 7y ago
    >integrated in the national community because they speak French, they eat our foods, think mostly like us, and follow our laws and traditions Jesus. Moving to a country isn't joining a cult. You shouldn't expect people to 'think like us' - I mean, what kind of fascist ant colony are you going for here? People's thoughts are their own. That's the the 'liberty' in the liberty-equality-fraternity thing, and you're kind of spitting on it with your small-minded chauvanism.

What's he supposed to do? He went out of his way to put it in the polite way for you. Unless you want to go into complete incomprehensibility, it's a "rock and a hard place" situation.

HBKXNCUO 7y ago

He's supposed to think the same way as them, of course.

oska 7y ago

Personally, I'd prefer such comments not to be made in a euphemistic way and just speak plainly. If you have concerns (valid or not) with immigrants not following the native culture and social norms then say that.

HBKXNCUO 7y ago
Which method do you think is less likely to result in flags / bans on message boards these days?
- oska 7y ago
  Well, looking at this sub-thread, I've just watched you keep your cool while pasabagi throws insults at you. So I would hope their behaviour would be more likely to result in bans.
  - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
    It looks like even putting it nicely did not save tasogare's comment from our most brave and wonderful moderator. Many of mine were also flagged, despite me being extremely polite.
heartbeats 7y ago
Yeah, but that goes against the rules. In civilized conversation, your only choice is to use incomprehensible euphemisms. He did a really great job - there is no kind of dog-whistle or outright strange language ("the urban crowd"). Perhaps he could have wrote 'normal french', but that's honestly a minor gripe. You really have no choice but to phrase yourself in a way that's only recognizable to the in-crowd. Even here, with the polite expression, he is catching flak. Personally, I don't discuss politics in real life anymore. Risks are too great. Just the Internet, where on some forums (not this one), you can be honest about what you think.
tasogare 7y ago
I could totally write the main races involved here (and I do when speaking in public) but no only this would triggers too much people, it’s also wrong to generalize a situation in two words, especially in an international place were readers don’t have the background about the situation nor the linguistics abilitiy to acquire it. Moreover, plenty of non-White French are integrated in the national community because they speak French, they eat our foods, think mostly like us, and follow our laws and traditions or at least don’t spit on them openly. So, it’s unfair to them to put them in same bag by throwing around anathema based on ethnical background. On the other side, there is a visible portion (about 10%) that openly hate France, its culture and its people. They routinely kill people for religious matter, degrade churches (one every two days per Vatican numbers), harass women in the street, physically attack people often in gang (120 daily knife aggression countrywide), do thefts, etc. All the crimes listed here are like 80%+ committed by people with visible foreign origin. But sure, stating an opinion is the real problem, while aggressing people for being White or non-Muslim is totally not racism... PS: and before someone come with "you read too much the news", I have numerous stories of female friends being robbed (including one being robbed two times and beat by 3 guys in the same day), and also an acquaintance almost killed in a famous terror attack. Each and every case have been cause by non-White non-Asian people. And of course, not even 1/50th of that ever happened to me or my friends abroad in countries which have a immigration policy that makes sense.
- oska 7y ago
  > But sure, stating an opinion is the real problem Where do you get that? All I suggested was you express your opinion clearly, rather than euphemistically.
- pasabagi 7y ago
  >integrated in the national community because they speak French, they eat our foods, think mostly like us, and follow our laws and traditions Jesus. Moving to a country isn't joining a cult. You shouldn't expect people to 'think like us' - I mean, what kind of fascist ant colony are you going for here? People's thoughts are their own. That's the the 'liberty' in the liberty-equality-fraternity thing, and you're kind of spitting on it with your small-minded chauvanism.