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It's easy to say this was going to happen. (Especially after it happened.) But it's not a natural law like boiling water burning one's hand. Proteins are always

by lolc 7y ago

It's easy to say this was going to happen. (Especially after it happened.) But it's not a natural law like boiling water burning one's hand. Proteins are always going to be damaged by heat. But here we observe due process being violated. It's not a natural law that due process is going to be violated. Violations depend on attitude, checks and incentives. As a society, we can shape those to a large degree! We could have complained earlier, in other instances. You can say we should have been more alert. There were victims we ignored. But that does not invalidate our complaints now!

bilekas 7y ago
> But that does not invalidate our complaints now! No but they are less appreciated. A sense of 'NIMBY' overcomes me reading the pitty for Assange. > Violations depend on attitude, checks and incentives. Yup, and given that we all knew this was going to happen, what did we say before ? — Nothing.
- lolc 7y ago
  > A sense of 'NIMBY' overcomes me reading the pitty for Assange. I don't get what you are saying. It sounds like we shouldn't complain about it happening here because it's happening in other places. I count myself as part of a wider society of which the UK is a part. If we want to criticize other societies, like Russia for example, we better damn well make sure we don't run the same shit-shows of legal persecutions. I also have more influence over processes in my society, so it is logical to spend my efforts here. Lastly, I care more about due process in my society just out of self-preservation. Your relativism is useless in deciding where to spend effort. If you don't care, sure, you don't have to. But don't piss on people that advocate for our liberties. > given that we all knew this was going to happen, what did we say before ? — Nothing We? You're projecting your own callous ignorance. Just because you decided not to listen doesn't mean nobody spoke up. I ask you to shut up rather than to invalidate the effort of those who risk their livelihoods exposing government malfeasance. We should defend them, not tell them they had it coming!
  - bilekas 7y ago
    Sure. Whatever you like then. A lot of this went off-topic a little. I can see why there is an example being made of him. End of. I'll go shut up now boss.

by lolc 7y ago

bilekas 7y ago

> But that does not invalidate our complaints now! No but they are less appreciated. A sense of 'NIMBY' overcomes me reading the pitty for Assange. > Violations depend on attitude, checks and incentives. Yup, and given that we all knew this was going to happen, what did we say before ? — Nothing.

lolc 7y ago
> A sense of 'NIMBY' overcomes me reading the pitty for Assange. I don't get what you are saying. It sounds like we shouldn't complain about it happening here because it's happening in other places. I count myself as part of a wider society of which the UK is a part. If we want to criticize other societies, like Russia for example, we better damn well make sure we don't run the same shit-shows of legal persecutions. I also have more influence over processes in my society, so it is logical to spend my efforts here. Lastly, I care more about due process in my society just out of self-preservation. Your relativism is useless in deciding where to spend effort. If you don't care, sure, you don't have to. But don't piss on people that advocate for our liberties. > given that we all knew this was going to happen, what did we say before ? — Nothing We? You're projecting your own callous ignorance. Just because you decided not to listen doesn't mean nobody spoke up. I ask you to shut up rather than to invalidate the effort of those who risk their livelihoods exposing government malfeasance. We should defend them, not tell them they had it coming!
- bilekas 7y ago
  Sure. Whatever you like then. A lot of this went off-topic a little. I can see why there is an example being made of him. End of. I'll go shut up now boss.