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"real French" "the kind [of] people that loot trains" As littlestymaar points out, this sounds an awful lot like dog-whistling.

HBKXNCUO 7y ago
Is he wrong though?
- rchaud 7y ago
  Yeah he is. Police have been clashing with Yellow Vest protesters for months. Plenty of 'real French' people there.
  - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
    Are the yellow vests looting?
FriendlyNormie 7y ago
And this sounds an awful lot like you changing the subject for no reason. Yes, he’s obviously dogwhistling that he has a different opinion on immigration than you. There are hundreds of millions of people who agree with him. Get over it.
- littlestymaar 7y ago
  “There are hundreds of millions of people who agree with him. Get over it.” Somebody talking about Germany in 1932
  - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
    No matter where you were in the developed world, the majority in 1932 (though not necessarily the majority of the elites) would have held similar views or views that were even further away from yours. The US, for instance, had just recently passed an immigration law that was explicitly racist in design, which wasn't repealed until 1965, and even then the proponents of the replacement legislation had to lie through their teeth claiming it would not alter the demographics of the country. England similarly was cracking down on immigration during that period.
    - littlestymaar 7y ago
      You missed the point: in 1932 a good fraction of the western world was antisemitic and then those millions of people agreed with Him (the fürher), that didn't make any of them right. The fact that millions of people are still racists nowadays doesn't mean we should accept that either. Hopefully, Nazis will be defeated in the long run, but it looks quite far ahead of us unfortunately.
      - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
        >that didn't make any of them right. Didn't make them right about what? >The fact that millions of people are still racists nowadays doesn't mean we should accept that either. You do have to share a country with them, and may rely on them some day to save your skin, so it would probably be a good idea for you to treat them like equals, unless you're looking for a civil war. >Hopefully, Nazis will be defeated in the long run, but it looks quite far ahead of us unfortunately. What does that even mean? There are no Nazis today. There's a tiny smattering of people that go around playing dress-up, probably mostly undercover government agents or informants, but the NSDAP is a defunct political organization.
        tripzilch 7y ago
        > > The fact that millions of people are still racists nowadays doesn't mean we should accept that either. > You do have to share a country with them, and may rely on them some day to save your skin, so it would probably be a good idea for you to treat them like equals, unless you're looking for a civil war. See I actually think that it's a good thing to call for, say , "stamp out racism". Cause I don't think it's real healthy for a population to just accept racism because, well, you gotta share a country with them. Would you say this if you believed there was an actual possibility that, one day the target of their racism would be you? Just imagine that you're living in your country, born there etc, but the brewing racist population happens to not include your particular ethnic group, and it may not be right now, but there is really no reason why they would not continue being racists, well you know, they per definition don't like sharing a country with anyone. Everywhere in the world and history where such a situation occurred, it happened with some amount of tension and suffering (ranging from economic inequality to holocaust). I can only imagine someone saying "well they may be racist but you gotta share a country with them" if they were certain to expect to come out on top, given such tensions. There will also be groups that come out on the bottom, badly. But apparently it doesn't matter if you treat them as equals and share a country with them? > There are no Nazis today. There's a tiny smattering of people that go around playing dress-up, probably mostly undercover government agents or informants, but the NSDAP is a defunct political organization. While you are technically correct about the NSDAP ... I think you're underestimating the amount of neonazis today. Not all of them are quite as on-the-nose with their logo as these guys, for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#/media/File:Meandros_flag.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#... These are not just people playing dress-up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#Allegations_of_Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#...

HBKXNCUO 7y ago

Is he wrong though?

rchaud 7y ago
Yeah he is. Police have been clashing with Yellow Vest protesters for months. Plenty of 'real French' people there.
- HBKXNCUO 7y ago
  Are the yellow vests looting?

FriendlyNormie 7y ago

And this sounds an awful lot like you changing the subject for no reason. Yes, he’s obviously dogwhistling that he has a different opinion on immigration than you. There are hundreds of millions of people who agree with him. Get over it.

littlestymaar 7y ago
“There are hundreds of millions of people who agree with him. Get over it.” Somebody talking about Germany in 1932
- HBKXNCUO 7y ago
  No matter where you were in the developed world, the majority in 1932 (though not necessarily the majority of the elites) would have held similar views or views that were even further away from yours. The US, for instance, had just recently passed an immigration law that was explicitly racist in design, which wasn't repealed until 1965, and even then the proponents of the replacement legislation had to lie through their teeth claiming it would not alter the demographics of the country. England similarly was cracking down on immigration during that period.
  - littlestymaar 7y ago
    You missed the point: in 1932 a good fraction of the western world was antisemitic and then those millions of people agreed with Him (the fürher), that didn't make any of them right. The fact that millions of people are still racists nowadays doesn't mean we should accept that either. Hopefully, Nazis will be defeated in the long run, but it looks quite far ahead of us unfortunately.
    - HBKXNCUO 7y ago
      >that didn't make any of them right. Didn't make them right about what? >The fact that millions of people are still racists nowadays doesn't mean we should accept that either. You do have to share a country with them, and may rely on them some day to save your skin, so it would probably be a good idea for you to treat them like equals, unless you're looking for a civil war. >Hopefully, Nazis will be defeated in the long run, but it looks quite far ahead of us unfortunately. What does that even mean? There are no Nazis today. There's a tiny smattering of people that go around playing dress-up, probably mostly undercover government agents or informants, but the NSDAP is a defunct political organization.
      - tripzilch 7y ago
        > > The fact that millions of people are still racists nowadays doesn't mean we should accept that either. > You do have to share a country with them, and may rely on them some day to save your skin, so it would probably be a good idea for you to treat them like equals, unless you're looking for a civil war. See I actually think that it's a good thing to call for, say , "stamp out racism". Cause I don't think it's real healthy for a population to just accept racism because, well, you gotta share a country with them. Would you say this if you believed there was an actual possibility that, one day the target of their racism would be you? Just imagine that you're living in your country, born there etc, but the brewing racist population happens to not include your particular ethnic group, and it may not be right now, but there is really no reason why they would not continue being racists, well you know, they per definition don't like sharing a country with anyone. Everywhere in the world and history where such a situation occurred, it happened with some amount of tension and suffering (ranging from economic inequality to holocaust). I can only imagine someone saying "well they may be racist but you gotta share a country with them" if they were certain to expect to come out on top, given such tensions. There will also be groups that come out on the bottom, badly. But apparently it doesn't matter if you treat them as equals and share a country with them? > There are no Nazis today. There's a tiny smattering of people that go around playing dress-up, probably mostly undercover government agents or informants, but the NSDAP is a defunct political organization. While you are technically correct about the NSDAP ... I think you're underestimating the amount of neonazis today. Not all of them are quite as on-the-nose with their logo as these guys, for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#/media/File:Meandros_flag.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#... These are not just people playing dress-up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#Allegations_of_Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)#...