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You believe that Assange is both a rapist and a right wing zealot? There is no evidence to support either claim.

mcv 7y ago
As pointed out elsewhere, the rape allegations are credible. And while I'm not calling him a right-wing zealot, and considered him left-libertarian for his dedication to free information and opposition to censorship, he did at some point seem to work with Trump and Russia in order to falsely discredit Clinton and get Trump elected. So again, there is evidence to support it.
- fit2rule 7y ago
  How credible is a rape case when the police themselves admitted to altering the reports of the accusers to fit the narrative given to them?
  - tyingq 7y ago
    That is pretty curious. “police officer IK, who had formally questioned SW on 20 August 2010, modified and replaced the content of SW’s original statement in the police database, upon instruction of her superior officer MG and without consulting SW.” https://spcommreports.ohchr.org/TMResultsBase/DownLoadPublicCommunicationFile?gId=24838 https://spcommreports.ohchr.org/TMResultsBase/DownLoadPublic... (The report itself)
    - mcv 7y ago
      Is that not tampering with evidence? If true, I'd expect some serious investigation into this.
      - tyingq 7y ago
        Yes. The "ohchr.org" is the "Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights". I would imagine that's enough weight to warrant a local inquiry.
  - hedwall 7y ago
    Citation needed.
  - BigJ1211 7y ago
    [1] https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea... A source for that statement.
- simiones 7y ago
  As pointed out by the UN Special Rapporteur on torture, they were not, and the Swedish authorities did everything to indicate that they didn't care about Assange's answers, they just wanted to force him out of the embassy.
  - bjornsing 7y ago
    This is kind of how prosecutors in Sweden think though. They don’t want to ask some questions over the phone, to be answered by someone feeling physically safe. They want to lock you up for a day or two, to shake you up a bit, and then ask you the questions. It’s primitive as fuck, but kind of how it works here.
    - boomboomsubban 7y ago
      This isn't the only case that has involved Sweden questioning people in another country, they have a treaty with the UK explicitly setting up a method of questioning people over video link in the UK. This was unacceptable for some reason with Assange. And I doubt anyone involved thought that Assange has felt physically safe for the past decade.
- 9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago
  Muellers report doesn't say so, I've read the whole thing from cover to cover and they do talk about him a lot. Yes, he was useful for Russia, just like he was when the American liberals hailed him as a hero and next Jesus when he was beneficial for them, shat on Bush, leaked Palin's emails etc. All politics are full of hypocritical behavior but Americans sure put it to next level, possibly because of the two party system, but I personally couldn't care less about it. It's sickening and vile.
  - einpoklum 7y ago
    It should be noted that Mueller's report - the redacted version at least - doesn't contain evidence for any of the claims it does make. So even if Mueller had concluded "Wikileaks was working with Russia", you would not have found any basis for the claim in that report, besides more assertions to that effect.

mcv 7y ago

As pointed out elsewhere, the rape allegations are credible. And while I'm not calling him a right-wing zealot, and considered him left-libertarian for his dedication to free information and opposition to censorship, he did at some point seem to work with Trump and Russia in order to falsely discredit Clinton and get Trump elected. So again, there is evidence to support it.

fit2rule 7y ago
How credible is a rape case when the police themselves admitted to altering the reports of the accusers to fit the narrative given to them?
- tyingq 7y ago
  That is pretty curious. “police officer IK, who had formally questioned SW on 20 August 2010, modified and replaced the content of SW’s original statement in the police database, upon instruction of her superior officer MG and without consulting SW.” https://spcommreports.ohchr.org/TMResultsBase/DownLoadPublicCommunicationFile?gId=24838 https://spcommreports.ohchr.org/TMResultsBase/DownLoadPublic... (The report itself)
  - mcv 7y ago
    Is that not tampering with evidence? If true, I'd expect some serious investigation into this.
    - tyingq 7y ago
      Yes. The "ohchr.org" is the "Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights". I would imagine that's enough weight to warrant a local inquiry.
- hedwall 7y ago
  Citation needed.
- BigJ1211 7y ago
  [1] https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea... A source for that statement.
simiones 7y ago
As pointed out by the UN Special Rapporteur on torture, they were not, and the Swedish authorities did everything to indicate that they didn't care about Assange's answers, they just wanted to force him out of the embassy.
- bjornsing 7y ago
  This is kind of how prosecutors in Sweden think though. They don’t want to ask some questions over the phone, to be answered by someone feeling physically safe. They want to lock you up for a day or two, to shake you up a bit, and then ask you the questions. It’s primitive as fuck, but kind of how it works here.
  - boomboomsubban 7y ago
    This isn't the only case that has involved Sweden questioning people in another country, they have a treaty with the UK explicitly setting up a method of questioning people over video link in the UK. This was unacceptable for some reason with Assange. And I doubt anyone involved thought that Assange has felt physically safe for the past decade.
9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago
Muellers report doesn't say so, I've read the whole thing from cover to cover and they do talk about him a lot. Yes, he was useful for Russia, just like he was when the American liberals hailed him as a hero and next Jesus when he was beneficial for them, shat on Bush, leaked Palin's emails etc. All politics are full of hypocritical behavior but Americans sure put it to next level, possibly because of the two party system, but I personally couldn't care less about it. It's sickening and vile.
- einpoklum 7y ago
  It should be noted that Mueller's report - the redacted version at least - doesn't contain evidence for any of the claims it does make. So even if Mueller had concluded "Wikileaks was working with Russia", you would not have found any basis for the claim in that report, besides more assertions to that effect.