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It doesn't looks so. Chinese scientist did research and found that virus was originated outside of Wuhan. It just became wide spread in Wuhan. IMHO, it's from K

by brutt 7y ago

It doesn't looks so. Chinese scientist did research and found that virus was originated outside of Wuhan. It just became wide spread in Wuhan. IMHO, it's from Koltsovo.

Hoasi 7y ago
> IMHO, it's from Koltsovo Why do you think it comes from Koltsovo, in Russia?
- simonh 7y ago
  There was an explosion at a virology lab in Koltsovo in September last year. There were no reported infections as a result and no apparent cases of Coronavirus or anything like it in the area or any established link with Wuhan, but apparently actual evidence isn't required for some people to come to all sorts of conclusions.
  - brutt 7y ago
    So, if we will test all workers in Vector, then we will find nobody with antibodies for corona-virus, right?
  - seppin 7y ago
    > There was an explosion at a virology lab Why are conspiracy theories so irresistible to so many people?
    - hempti 7y ago
      I knew a ex-friend in school a few years back. He has schizophrenia. He tells you that he knows people in the chines government and other stuff. You know what the problem here is? You just don't know who is posting.
    - simonh 7y ago
      The idea that we are in possession of special knowledge or rare insights is very compelling. This is especially true if we often find ourselves disbelieved or shown to be wrong on a regular basis, because it creates a justification for being marginalised. Ok those people might be clever, but I know things they don't so I'm still special. As a result people will consciously seek out unlikely connections or speculative ideas and latch on to them to try to get ahead of the pack.
      - brutt 7y ago
        This is not a special knowledge. Just Google it: Vector, Koltsevo, 16.09.2019. Moreover, even if outbreak will be traced back to Koltsevo (because it's only one bio-laboratory which had this virus), explosion will be used as excuse.
        seppin 7y ago
        The news was an explosion, there is no evidence any strain had escaped because of it. That's you filling in details with no proof, ie. conspiracy.
      - seppin 7y ago
        > The idea that we are in possession of special knowledge or rare insights is very compelling. There's also evidence that people with lower levels of schooling particularly like conspiracy because it allows them to make sense of a chaotic world. Instead of feeling powerless and hopeless, they have a truth not even the smart and powerful have. It is of course not true, but therein lies the appeal.
- brutt 7y ago
  If explosion can break all windows in the lab, then it can break some vials too. Koltsevo-Harbin route was used regularly by tourists.
  - simonh 7y ago
    It gets even weaker, Harbin is the opposite end of China from Wuhan and has the second lowest levels of the disease of all the regions in China, beaten only by Tibet. But if it was spread to tourists through the population in Koltsovo, how come there isn't a significant outbreak in Koltsovo? How many Chinese tourists were given the special tour of a blown up virology lab?
    - brutt 7y ago
      I don't know. I need list of passengers from Koltsevo to Wuhan to make conclusion. I cannot get it. IF this is incidental, I will suspect a student with asymptomatic infection.
throw0101a 7y ago
> It just became wide spread in Wuhan. IMHO, it's from Koltsovo. What? The great circle distance between Koltsovo Airport (USSS) and Wuhan Tianhe International Airport (ZHHH) is 5000km: * http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?&DU=km&P=USSS-ZHHH http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?&DU=km&P=USSS-ZHHH And here I thought you were serious... until I looked at a map.

by brutt 7y ago

It doesn't looks so. Chinese scientist did research and found that virus was originated outside of Wuhan. It just became wide spread in Wuhan. IMHO, it's from Koltsovo.

Hoasi 7y ago

> IMHO, it's from Koltsovo Why do you think it comes from Koltsovo, in Russia?

simonh 7y ago
There was an explosion at a virology lab in Koltsovo in September last year. There were no reported infections as a result and no apparent cases of Coronavirus or anything like it in the area or any established link with Wuhan, but apparently actual evidence isn't required for some people to come to all sorts of conclusions.
- brutt 7y ago
  So, if we will test all workers in Vector, then we will find nobody with antibodies for corona-virus, right?
- seppin 7y ago
  > There was an explosion at a virology lab Why are conspiracy theories so irresistible to so many people?
  - hempti 7y ago
    I knew a ex-friend in school a few years back. He has schizophrenia. He tells you that he knows people in the chines government and other stuff. You know what the problem here is? You just don't know who is posting.
  - simonh 7y ago
    The idea that we are in possession of special knowledge or rare insights is very compelling. This is especially true if we often find ourselves disbelieved or shown to be wrong on a regular basis, because it creates a justification for being marginalised. Ok those people might be clever, but I know things they don't so I'm still special. As a result people will consciously seek out unlikely connections or speculative ideas and latch on to them to try to get ahead of the pack.
    - brutt 7y ago
      This is not a special knowledge. Just Google it: Vector, Koltsevo, 16.09.2019. Moreover, even if outbreak will be traced back to Koltsevo (because it's only one bio-laboratory which had this virus), explosion will be used as excuse.
      - seppin 7y ago
        The news was an explosion, there is no evidence any strain had escaped because of it. That's you filling in details with no proof, ie. conspiracy.
    - seppin 7y ago
      > The idea that we are in possession of special knowledge or rare insights is very compelling. There's also evidence that people with lower levels of schooling particularly like conspiracy because it allows them to make sense of a chaotic world. Instead of feeling powerless and hopeless, they have a truth not even the smart and powerful have. It is of course not true, but therein lies the appeal.
brutt 7y ago
If explosion can break all windows in the lab, then it can break some vials too. Koltsevo-Harbin route was used regularly by tourists.
- simonh 7y ago
  It gets even weaker, Harbin is the opposite end of China from Wuhan and has the second lowest levels of the disease of all the regions in China, beaten only by Tibet. But if it was spread to tourists through the population in Koltsovo, how come there isn't a significant outbreak in Koltsovo? How many Chinese tourists were given the special tour of a blown up virology lab?
  - brutt 7y ago
    I don't know. I need list of passengers from Koltsevo to Wuhan to make conclusion. I cannot get it. IF this is incidental, I will suspect a student with asymptomatic infection.

throw0101a 7y ago

> It just became wide spread in Wuhan. IMHO, it's from Koltsovo. What? The great circle distance between Koltsovo Airport (USSS) and Wuhan Tianhe International Airport (ZHHH) is 5000km: * http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?&DU=km&P=USSS-ZHHH http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?&DU=km&P=USSS-ZHHH And here I thought you were serious... until I looked at a map.