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I guess these things get lost overtime if there is no system of documenting what happened and is happening with any building over a long period of time? A nice

I guess these things get lost overtime if there is no system of documenting what happened and is happening with any building over a long period of time? A nice startup idea would be to create a system/website/app that documents what happens to any building over time including all maintenance and future plans! City councils have something like this but I imagine it is pretty simple and does not capture a lot.

arethuza 7y ago
I think that's what BIM systems are for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_information_modeling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_information_modeling
- coder1001 7y ago
  A startup that simplifies the process/visualisation and makes it accessible to whoever is going to use it will always win!
  - DizzyDoo 7y ago
    > For some reason I feel like anything IBM does is overly complicated and over the top! I think you've misread 'BIM' as 'IBM'. Building Information Modelling is a specific task for software, as the linked wiki page describes.
    - coder1001 7y ago
      Yes I did! Sorry, edited the comment! Thanks
pjc50 7y ago
In some ways the app is easy. Capturing what happens is not, especially if there's no immediate incentive to do so. And writing an app in 2020 doesn't tell you want happened in 1660. Then you have to cope with app longevity; most apps deployed in 2020 will be dead by 2030 while the Houses of Parliament will still be there (unless they burn down due to ongoing fire code issues)
- coder1001 7y ago
  Hence having "system/website/app". The system is there to conserve everything and hopefully it will transcend technologies and be easy to migrate the data to whatever comes next.
  - OJFord 7y ago
    We have legislation on vellum going back centuries; it's transcended technology and successfully been copied (I wouldn't say actually 'migrated') to other papers and the gov.uk website. Which is why GP talks about incentive. What technology is your "system/website/app" going to use? Who's incentivised to update it? Who migrates to something else when you abandon it? How much does all this cost compared to non-digital records, which have almost certainly been kept, but some lost due to a lack of incentive to keep them up to date and safe?
    - Swenrekcah 7y ago
      Since 2016, UK laws have not been recorded on vellum anymore [0] [0]: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/12149181/Thousand-year-old-tradition-of-printing-Britains-laws-on-vellum-has-been-scrapped-to-save-just-80000.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/12149181/Thousand-year...
      - toyg 7y ago
        From the government that destroyed all Windrush records, comes another shocking tale of incompetence with malicious undertones. Laws are written down to make them as permanently-accessible as possible, which acts as defense against capricious rulers. Anything that makes them less permanent is a small blow to the rights of everyday people.
        thaumasiotes 7y ago
        Clearly we should start casting the laws into stainless steel plates.
tasogare 7y ago
Buildings can stand for centuries or even a millennia whereas a webpage half-life is 2 years...
LegitShady 7y ago
This is an entire commercial space with existing players and complex regulation in business activities. These products already exist be it bim software like revit from Autodesk or gis from Esri like their permit license land software Dont assume because you aren't familiar with the space that nobody is there and that you can convince anyone to buy your system over something supported by standard setters like Autodesk and Esri. This is not an easy not to crack and a lot of people have tried already.

arethuza 7y ago

I think that's what BIM systems are for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_information_modeling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_information_modeling

coder1001 7y ago
A startup that simplifies the process/visualisation and makes it accessible to whoever is going to use it will always win!
- DizzyDoo 7y ago
  > For some reason I feel like anything IBM does is overly complicated and over the top! I think you've misread 'BIM' as 'IBM'. Building Information Modelling is a specific task for software, as the linked wiki page describes.
  - coder1001 7y ago
    Yes I did! Sorry, edited the comment! Thanks

pjc50 7y ago

In some ways the app is easy. Capturing what happens is not, especially if there's no immediate incentive to do so. And writing an app in 2020 doesn't tell you want happened in 1660. Then you have to cope with app longevity; most apps deployed in 2020 will be dead by 2030 while the Houses of Parliament will still be there (unless they burn down due to ongoing fire code issues)

coder1001 7y ago
Hence having "system/website/app". The system is there to conserve everything and hopefully it will transcend technologies and be easy to migrate the data to whatever comes next.
- OJFord 7y ago
  We have legislation on vellum going back centuries; it's transcended technology and successfully been copied (I wouldn't say actually 'migrated') to other papers and the gov.uk website. Which is why GP talks about incentive. What technology is your "system/website/app" going to use? Who's incentivised to update it? Who migrates to something else when you abandon it? How much does all this cost compared to non-digital records, which have almost certainly been kept, but some lost due to a lack of incentive to keep them up to date and safe?
  - Swenrekcah 7y ago
    Since 2016, UK laws have not been recorded on vellum anymore [0] [0]: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/12149181/Thousand-year-old-tradition-of-printing-Britains-laws-on-vellum-has-been-scrapped-to-save-just-80000.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/12149181/Thousand-year...
    - toyg 7y ago
      From the government that destroyed all Windrush records, comes another shocking tale of incompetence with malicious undertones. Laws are written down to make them as permanently-accessible as possible, which acts as defense against capricious rulers. Anything that makes them less permanent is a small blow to the rights of everyday people.
      - thaumasiotes 7y ago
        Clearly we should start casting the laws into stainless steel plates.

tasogare 7y ago

Buildings can stand for centuries or even a millennia whereas a webpage half-life is 2 years...

LegitShady 7y ago

This is an entire commercial space with existing players and complex regulation in business activities. These products already exist be it bim software like revit from Autodesk or gis from Esri like their permit license land software Dont assume because you aren't familiar with the space that nobody is there and that you can convince anyone to buy your system over something supported by standard setters like Autodesk and Esri. This is not an easy not to crack and a lot of people have tried already.