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'Writers' and 'writing' as in English literature, fiction, drama, 'belle lettre' are nearly dead. For some exceptions, might sell some romance novels or screen
by NY_USA_Hacker 16y ago
'Writers' and 'writing' as in English literature, fiction, drama, 'belle lettre' are nearly dead. For some exceptions, might sell some romance novels or screen plays and write 'news' drawing on morality plays and formula fiction.
Otherwise, broadly, first-cut, essentially the whole pile from Chaucer, Milton, Shakespeare, Wordsworth, ..., Dickens, James, to the present and their goals, techniques, values, and traditions are dead economically, intellectually, culturally, educationally -- kaput.
Why? Still in simple terms, they never made it into the 20th century with its standards of information safety and efficacy from mathematics, physical science, medical science, engineering, medicine, and law of the early 20th century. E.g., for learning about people, f'get about Shakespeare, ..., and just read clinical psychology. Or, don't read 'writer' Henry James and read his brother psychologist William James instead.
The 'writers' didn't have to know much and, instead, wrote 'art' as in the 'communication, interpretation of human experience, emotion'. For the reader, it was vicarious, escapist, fantasy, emotional experience entertainment, not useful information, not anything solid even about the emotions of real people.
So, 'literature' is now for light entertainment. No one would try to do anything serious -- design an airplane, drug, computer system, bridge -- using the techniques of literature.
In the recent past, for media, the content was still from "the medium is the message". So, could pass out content, one size fits millions. Such content had to be of such broad interest and, thus, so superficial that it could be from a 'writer' who actually didn't know much about the subject.
Commonly a reader who actually knows something about subject X when reading work of a newsie about X sees right away that the newsie understands next to nothing about X and gets a lot wrong.
Now in great contrast, for each narrow topic, there are many experts who, as on Wikipedia, HN, Stack Overflow, eGullet, various blogs and fora, can, just for fun, write material of much higher quality for free and do.
So there are over 100 million blogs tracked by Technorati and some unknown, large number of long tail Web sites so that the focused content is far beyond the old, one size fits millions.
Yes, 'literature' is gathering dust on the library shelves and otherwise nearly dead. We are losing nothing of any value. It should have died over 100 years ago. RIP.
And we are losing something dangerous that has profoundly hurt our democracy for over 150 years: We're losing the work of the newsies who just gush their emotions and otherwise distort and manipulate to grab people by the heart, the gut, and below the belt, always below the shoulders, never between the ears, and pretend that they are contributing to an 'informed electorate'. They've been building a massively, deliberately un/misinformed electorate with consequences -- the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, the 1929 market crash, the Great Depression and, thus, WWII, the Cold War, the Viet Nam war, the Great Recession, and more. I will leave details as an exercise. Hint: The Civil War started before Lincoln even took office and from essentially only the deliberately deceptive, inflammatory work of the newsies.
There's an important word about 'fiction': It ain't true. Then, even if in some case by accident it is true, there's no evidence, certainly no proof. It's junk best left on the scrapheap of history from long, ignorant, efforts in the struggle to build civilization.
The newsies have been among the most dangerous, destructive, and contemptible people in our democracy.
- tree_of_item 16y agoYou don't read Shakespeare to "learn about people". There's nothing in Shakespeare that could be replaced by a clinical psychology text. Yes, art is not "useful information" if you're regarding useful information as something you get out of a published mathematics paper. And what is a "newsie"? I didn't understand the section about "newsies" since it's unclear what those are, or what they have to do with literature. This line especially > it was vicarious, escapist, fantasy, emotional experience entertainment, not useful information, not anything solid even about the emotions of real people. makes it seem as if you don't understand the concept of "art", and want everything to be super literal and technical and devoid of any emotion. I can't imagine why.
- NY_USA_Hacker 16y agoA 'newsie' is someone who writes for a newspaper or other news service. Since in literature we are supposed to play with words, the meaning should be clear enough! Actually it was from 'The Maltese Falcon' where the Bogart character said that a newie took a gun from the thug and he, the Bogart character, made him give it back! There the newsie was likely someone selling newspapers! I like art, but I deeply, profoundly, bitterly hate and despise English literature. I like art well enough to be wildly in love with a large fraction of everything in music from Vivaldi through Rachmanioff.
- tree_of_item 16y agoWhat is it about English literature that you dislike? I ask because I'm a programmer who's trying to develop an understanding and interest in all the "art" and "culture" that I've previously ignored. This includes learning the history and theory of things such as painting, music, and literature. If there's some easy failure of literature that I'm overlooking I'd like to know about it.
- NY_USA_Hacker 16y agoJust as simple entertainment, we are supposed to 'identify' with the characters, etc. When that works well, say, in a good movie, then okay. But it's not very serious as art. For the art part, we're supposed to get something from the text, story, content, etc. But there is little there but the content from the words; I take those words at something like face value; then I consider the content from those words and nearly never like it. Or, I like classical music a lot, but the words in English literature are a poor substitute. Although parts of English literature try to have 'musical words', to me the music is wildly inferior, So, I can't like English literature as music. So, I see nothing there to like. Next, I see a lot to object to: I see people getting into trouble from doing foolish things, To me, that's not good in any sense. Next, English literature was pushed down my throat when I wanted to study math, physics, music, etc. Next, the claims that Shakespeare is so 'great' are to me basically lies. The claim is not at all self eviden, and no serious attempt is made to make such a case. So, English literature looks like a self-perpetuating academic flim-flam that wastes the time of students as warm bodies to give employment for people pushing the flim-flam, Maybe 300 years ago English literature was comparatively good, other things considered. Maybe it was pursued by the rich in England so now taught so that the rich won't have a 'special advantage'. I believe that it is long past time just to stuff it. A serious review of how to write a movie script would be more welcome.