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Not to mention the virus is mutating and is now killing healthy people in their twenties in Hubei (if not at least serious disease requiring mechanical ventilat

Not to mention the virus is mutating and is now killing healthy people in their twenties in Hubei (if not at least serious disease requiring mechanical ventilation and supplemental oxygen). Also there is evidence the HIV drugs are no longer working due to the virus developing resistance. Those of you thinking "oh I'm a healthy young person I'm just gonna carry on doing what I'm doing" is gonna be in for a rude awakening.

loblollyboy 7y ago
This, unfortunately
- hurrdurr2 7y ago
  A 25 year old nurse just passed away in Iran battling the virus. https://mobile.twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1232453957584187392 https://mobile.twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/123245395758...
bencollier49 7y ago
Sources?
- hurrdurr2 7y ago
  https://archive.fo/pgxDl https://archive.fo/pgxDl https://archive.is/zImUv https://archive.is/zImUv
  - retsibsi 7y ago
    Maybe I'm just looking for comfort, but this passage (from your first link) seems like a big logical leap to me: > The fact that patients not displaying symptoms are able to transmit the coronavirus indicates something alarming. As typically such respiratory viruses are normally transmitted thru the mouth via coughing in which minute droplets are exposed or thru the nose when the nasal fluids are released through sneezing or blowing of the nose. > If a person is not showing any symptoms, then the only possible means is through the exhaled air of the infected individual, which implies that the virus is an extremely potent airborne pathogen. People who aren't sick still cough/sneeze/blow their nose sometimes. (Especially so in the case of people with allergies, but everyone does it a bit.) And surely people could transmit the disease through saliva (or other fluids) spread via their hands. People touch their face, pick their teeth, eat with their hands, pick their nose, bite their nails, etc. etc. Then there is the possibility of transmission through shared meals, or even inadequately washed cutlery etc. Don't get me wrong, asymptomatic spread is scary, and it probably provides some evidence in favour of airborne transmission. But I don't see how they can make such an absolute statement, when there seem to be other available explanations.
    - hurrdurr2 7y ago
      https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/84988 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/...
      - retsibsi 7y ago
        Interesting article, but what point are you making by posting it without comment? It doesn't confirm airborne transmission, unless that is implied by background knowledge I'm missing (?). And it certainly doesn't tell me anything about the logic of the passage I quoted, so I remain sceptical about that other article's quality.
        hurrdurr2 7y ago
        How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? The viral load is highest in the nose, suggesting that they can infect others by simply breathing in their vicinity. This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing.
        retsibsi 7y ago
        > This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing. I know, and I thought that was what we were discussing: how strong is the evidence for airborne transmission. > How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? I gave a bunch of possibilities in my previous reply. > The viral load is highest in the nose Higher in the nose than the throat, according to the Medpagetoday article, but that doesn't imply it is absent from the throat -- rather the opposite, otherwise they would have phrased it differently. And people do pick and blow their noses, and sneeze occasionally even when healthy, so it's not like breathing is the only possible route out of the nose. Not to mention the connectedness of nose and throat, which makes it hard for me to imagine a virus being present in the nose but reliably absent from saliva. I'm not arguing that airborne transmission is unlikely -- I don't know, and am trying to form an opinion. Which is why I'm questioning the argument that it is definitely happening, and responsible for all asymptomatic contagion: it seems overstated to me, but if I'm missing key background facts, I'd like to learn them.
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virgilp 7y ago
My understanding was that this virus has a molecular proofreading system that reduces its mutation rate, and makes it unlikely to develop a more deadly strain - was this dispelled in any way? Can't find exactly where I read it but it's e.g. mentioned here: https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/04/two-scenarios-if-new-coronavirus-isnt-contained/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/04/two-scenarios-if-new-cor...
mda 7y ago
Please stop spreading speculation, there is absolutely no evidence of a more deadly mutated version of virus.
- hurrdurr2 7y ago
  https://archive.is/GPVv4 https://archive.is/GPVv4 https://nextstrain.org/ncov https://nextstrain.org/ncov
  - mda 7y ago
    Speculation, no evidence.

loblollyboy 7y ago

This, unfortunately

hurrdurr2 7y ago
A 25 year old nurse just passed away in Iran battling the virus. https://mobile.twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1232453957584187392 https://mobile.twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/123245395758...

bencollier49 7y ago

Sources?

hurrdurr2 7y ago
https://archive.fo/pgxDl https://archive.fo/pgxDl https://archive.is/zImUv https://archive.is/zImUv
- retsibsi 7y ago
  Maybe I'm just looking for comfort, but this passage (from your first link) seems like a big logical leap to me: > The fact that patients not displaying symptoms are able to transmit the coronavirus indicates something alarming. As typically such respiratory viruses are normally transmitted thru the mouth via coughing in which minute droplets are exposed or thru the nose when the nasal fluids are released through sneezing or blowing of the nose. > If a person is not showing any symptoms, then the only possible means is through the exhaled air of the infected individual, which implies that the virus is an extremely potent airborne pathogen. People who aren't sick still cough/sneeze/blow their nose sometimes. (Especially so in the case of people with allergies, but everyone does it a bit.) And surely people could transmit the disease through saliva (or other fluids) spread via their hands. People touch their face, pick their teeth, eat with their hands, pick their nose, bite their nails, etc. etc. Then there is the possibility of transmission through shared meals, or even inadequately washed cutlery etc. Don't get me wrong, asymptomatic spread is scary, and it probably provides some evidence in favour of airborne transmission. But I don't see how they can make such an absolute statement, when there seem to be other available explanations.
  - hurrdurr2 7y ago
    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/84988 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/...
    - retsibsi 7y ago
      Interesting article, but what point are you making by posting it without comment? It doesn't confirm airborne transmission, unless that is implied by background knowledge I'm missing (?). And it certainly doesn't tell me anything about the logic of the passage I quoted, so I remain sceptical about that other article's quality.
      - hurrdurr2 7y ago
        How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? The viral load is highest in the nose, suggesting that they can infect others by simply breathing in their vicinity. This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing.
        retsibsi 7y ago
        > This is different from droplet transmission when people are coughing/sneezing. I know, and I thought that was what we were discussing: how strong is the evidence for airborne transmission. > How do you expect asymptomatic infected individuals to spread the virus? I gave a bunch of possibilities in my previous reply. > The viral load is highest in the nose Higher in the nose than the throat, according to the Medpagetoday article, but that doesn't imply it is absent from the throat -- rather the opposite, otherwise they would have phrased it differently. And people do pick and blow their noses, and sneeze occasionally even when healthy, so it's not like breathing is the only possible route out of the nose. Not to mention the connectedness of nose and throat, which makes it hard for me to imagine a virus being present in the nose but reliably absent from saliva. I'm not arguing that airborne transmission is unlikely -- I don't know, and am trying to form an opinion. Which is why I'm questioning the argument that it is definitely happening, and responsible for all asymptomatic contagion: it seems overstated to me, but if I'm missing key background facts, I'd like to learn them.

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virgilp 7y ago

My understanding was that this virus has a molecular proofreading system that reduces its mutation rate, and makes it unlikely to develop a more deadly strain - was this dispelled in any way? Can't find exactly where I read it but it's e.g. mentioned here: https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/04/two-scenarios-if-new-coronavirus-isnt-contained/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/04/two-scenarios-if-new-cor...

mda 7y ago

Please stop spreading speculation, there is absolutely no evidence of a more deadly mutated version of virus.

hurrdurr2 7y ago
https://archive.is/GPVv4 https://archive.is/GPVv4 https://nextstrain.org/ncov https://nextstrain.org/ncov
- mda 7y ago
  Speculation, no evidence.