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While we all click the wrong arrow from time to time in the grand scheme of things it's probably a small percentage of the overall clicks. I've probably clicke

by noahc 16y ago

While we all click the wrong arrow from time to time in the grand scheme of things it's probably a small percentage of the overall clicks. I've probably clicked two or three wrong arrows out of thousands of clicks, which makes it pretty much a non-issue.

antirez 16y ago
Yes but when you really liked/disliked a comment, and for an error you click in the wrong way, it's a really bad feeling.
- noahc 16y ago
  So is this a statement or an argument? I would agree it sucks, but what would the cost of pg's time be to create, test, and implement this? Other than your emotional state, I don't see a huge win here.
  - user24 16y ago
    What about the comments that are on 1 point and you mean to upvote them but then misclick and they go to zero? At the early stages of discussion that kind of thing can have a huge impact.
    - noahc 16y ago
      My previous comment was downvoted to at least -3 and it rose up again to 1. I think that proves that with enough eyes a good comment will at least get back to 1. Most comments occur on highly trafficked posts, which means most comments should be seen by enough eyes. Again, in the grand scheme of things one up vote or down vote is relatively unimportant.
      - user24 16y ago
        it's not about the final score the comment gets, it's about the amount of influence early in the story. edit: Also, I kicked off the downvoting when you were on 1 point, as an experiment. I wonder if the other 3 people who downvoted to get you to -3 would have done so if I hadn't initially put you at 0. Also, clearly three other people upvoted you. If I hadn't put you at 0 and then 3 others followed my lead, would you now be at +4? It makes a big difference in the perception of opinion. Simply by initially putting you at 0, I was able to make it seem as though your opinion was worth less than mine. The difference between a +8 comment and a +1 (or -3) comment is much larger than the difference between a +8 and a +4.
  - antirez 16y ago
    sorry but I don't measure my hopes for a better HN with PG's needed efforts, but as a simple user that wants things to work well. Also the effort is minimal.
  - Mz 16y ago
    You seem to underestimate the value of "emotional state" in a market (or a community). During a recession, comedy and other light entertainment does better because people strongly want to feel better. And people get murdered because they made someone mad. Negative emotional states contribute to the decline of a site -- something pg has repeatedly expressed interest in avoiding. I am not a hacker, so I have no idea what the time investment would be on the back end. But preventing trouble is typically way cheaper (in terms of time and other resources) than cleaning up the mess after the fact. Peace.

by noahc 16y ago

antirez 16y ago

Yes but when you really liked/disliked a comment, and for an error you click in the wrong way, it's a really bad feeling.

noahc 16y ago
So is this a statement or an argument? I would agree it sucks, but what would the cost of pg's time be to create, test, and implement this? Other than your emotional state, I don't see a huge win here.
- user24 16y ago
  What about the comments that are on 1 point and you mean to upvote them but then misclick and they go to zero? At the early stages of discussion that kind of thing can have a huge impact.
  - noahc 16y ago
    My previous comment was downvoted to at least -3 and it rose up again to 1. I think that proves that with enough eyes a good comment will at least get back to 1. Most comments occur on highly trafficked posts, which means most comments should be seen by enough eyes. Again, in the grand scheme of things one up vote or down vote is relatively unimportant.
    - user24 16y ago
      it's not about the final score the comment gets, it's about the amount of influence early in the story. edit: Also, I kicked off the downvoting when you were on 1 point, as an experiment. I wonder if the other 3 people who downvoted to get you to -3 would have done so if I hadn't initially put you at 0. Also, clearly three other people upvoted you. If I hadn't put you at 0 and then 3 others followed my lead, would you now be at +4? It makes a big difference in the perception of opinion. Simply by initially putting you at 0, I was able to make it seem as though your opinion was worth less than mine. The difference between a +8 comment and a +1 (or -3) comment is much larger than the difference between a +8 and a +4.
- antirez 16y ago
  sorry but I don't measure my hopes for a better HN with PG's needed efforts, but as a simple user that wants things to work well. Also the effort is minimal.
- Mz 16y ago
  You seem to underestimate the value of "emotional state" in a market (or a community). During a recession, comedy and other light entertainment does better because people strongly want to feel better. And people get murdered because they made someone mad. Negative emotional states contribute to the decline of a site -- something pg has repeatedly expressed interest in avoiding. I am not a hacker, so I have no idea what the time investment would be on the back end. But preventing trouble is typically way cheaper (in terms of time and other resources) than cleaning up the mess after the fact. Peace.