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My non US experience is I have seen no correlation of the boom/bust cycles and "how good it is to be an engineer". I realize that FAANG employees are of course

by mc3 7y ago

My non US experience is I have seen no correlation of the boom/bust cycles and "how good it is to be an engineer". I realize that FAANG employees are of course raking it in like never before. But I thought that was because of a lack of a salary cartel and general software eating the world.

gryn 7y ago
Yes GP probably meant it's a great time to be an engineer in the US other countries not so sure.
- zapita 7y ago
  There is a cascading effect on software engineer compensation worldwide.
  - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
    True to a degree. Thanks to the huge influx of SV companies opening up shops in Eastern Europe, even if it's just outsourcing the "boring stuff", has led to an increase in local tech salaries that they're now rivaling Western Europe.
    - fierarul 7y ago
      Not that Western Europe has big IT salaries compared to the US. It never seemed to me that IT is viewed in EU as this big growth engine compared to the USA and salaries and prestige seem to reflect it.
      - zapita 7y ago
        That is changing as well. US tech companies are hiring more and more across Europe, and the local startup ecosystem is growing also. Some local founders who have made money in the US are coming back and seeding local startups, which has an accelerating effect. Another factor is remote work, with some developers getting nearly US-level salaries while living in Europe. The result is a new class of ultra-well-paid software developers enjoying the good life in many European cities. It's still a niche phenomenon, but not for long. The SF Bay Area was in the same place around 2011-2012. I expect a massive wave of gentrification and anti-tech sentiment in Europe in 2-5 years, similar to what the US is experiencing now.
        ChuckNorris89 7y ago
        Do you have any examples of cities or companies that pay well in Europe relative to the CoL?
        fierarul 7y ago
        Maybe I'm not in a good niche anymore, but seems to me many US companies are setting up local shops which means they won't hire you remotely as an independent contractor but as a local employee / contractor which has much lower rates. There are some lucky few that still manage this or some that even manage to get US-level rates doing open source but that's like winning the lottery; outliers.
        zapita 7y ago
        Yes, most of those new bigtech/startup employees are getting compensation in the local band. But they are in the very top of that band, and gradually shifting it up as US companies compete for talent, and VC-funded local companies start competing more seriously as well. It’s a gradual process but in my experience it’s very real.
        fierarul 7y ago
        This gradual process might also happen because compensation has to cover the costs. While some things have kept their prices seems to me some services have gone way up. I was just discussing that a hotel we went to long ago basically tripled their prices. Real estate is also up.
artsyca 7y ago
Lost generation

by mc3 7y ago

gryn 7y ago

Yes GP probably meant it's a great time to be an engineer in the US other countries not so sure.

zapita 7y ago
There is a cascading effect on software engineer compensation worldwide.
- ChuckNorris89 7y ago
  True to a degree. Thanks to the huge influx of SV companies opening up shops in Eastern Europe, even if it's just outsourcing the "boring stuff", has led to an increase in local tech salaries that they're now rivaling Western Europe.
  - fierarul 7y ago
    Not that Western Europe has big IT salaries compared to the US. It never seemed to me that IT is viewed in EU as this big growth engine compared to the USA and salaries and prestige seem to reflect it.
    - zapita 7y ago
      That is changing as well. US tech companies are hiring more and more across Europe, and the local startup ecosystem is growing also. Some local founders who have made money in the US are coming back and seeding local startups, which has an accelerating effect. Another factor is remote work, with some developers getting nearly US-level salaries while living in Europe. The result is a new class of ultra-well-paid software developers enjoying the good life in many European cities. It's still a niche phenomenon, but not for long. The SF Bay Area was in the same place around 2011-2012. I expect a massive wave of gentrification and anti-tech sentiment in Europe in 2-5 years, similar to what the US is experiencing now.
      - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
        Do you have any examples of cities or companies that pay well in Europe relative to the CoL?
      - fierarul 7y ago
        Maybe I'm not in a good niche anymore, but seems to me many US companies are setting up local shops which means they won't hire you remotely as an independent contractor but as a local employee / contractor which has much lower rates. There are some lucky few that still manage this or some that even manage to get US-level rates doing open source but that's like winning the lottery; outliers.
        zapita 7y ago
        Yes, most of those new bigtech/startup employees are getting compensation in the local band. But they are in the very top of that band, and gradually shifting it up as US companies compete for talent, and VC-funded local companies start competing more seriously as well. It’s a gradual process but in my experience it’s very real.
        fierarul 7y ago
        This gradual process might also happen because compensation has to cover the costs. While some things have kept their prices seems to me some services have gone way up. I was just discussing that a hotel we went to long ago basically tripled their prices. Real estate is also up.

artsyca 7y ago

Lost generation