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Re #3, care to point to any evidence of LAD and Arizona shenanigans? I follow baseball pretty closely and I guess I haven't seen any. We can throw accusations a

Re #3, care to point to any evidence of LAD and Arizona shenanigans? I follow baseball pretty closely and I guess I haven't seen any. We can throw accusations all we want (#5, and #5b seems suspicious because doing something like closing the dome would have the same effect on the balls the home team hits too). Agreed on #6.

SamReidHughes 7y ago
Different pitchers have different hit patterns — there are ground ball pitchers, etc. Excessively watering the dirt and closing the dome aren’t really cheating, just standard gamesmanship.
- goatherders 7y ago
  This is what drives me nuts about baseball. Yes, you are right. That is standard gamesmanship. AND THAT IN ITSELF IS LUDICROUS. What other sport allows the field of play to be modified to fit one style of play or player? Can you imagine a basketball team raising the rims 2 feet so that Giannis couldn't dunk AND IT BEING ALLOWED? Or a football team growing the grass to 8" so that a team with fast wide receivers would be slowed? To me, baseball's rich (sarcasm) history of allowing random-sized fields and wall heights and open or closed roofs and watered or unwatered infields means that the more Circus-like elements of the sport are allowable. I too like some of this "gamesmanship". But I have a hard time understanding the difference of the allowed gamesmanship (stealing signs from second) and the disallowed and disgraceful gamesmanship (using ALLOWED in-clubhouse video to determine pitch sequences).
goatherders 7y ago
None, although here is a Yankees players detailing how they stole signs: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/02/21/mark-teixiera-yankees-sign-stealing-nothing-like-carlos-beltrans-astros/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/02/21/mark-teix.... I simply mentioned that people I know who work for MLB teams have said such things. I already stated that I think every team cheats to some degree. That was my larger point- no team is playing the game by the rules. The Astros are the most egregious that we know of. I suspect the Red Sox report will be similarly damning. But the malfesence isn't limited to those two teams. The architect of the scheme played for 7 teams in 20 years...hard to believe he came up the plan in his 20th and final season.

SamReidHughes 7y ago

Different pitchers have different hit patterns — there are ground ball pitchers, etc. Excessively watering the dirt and closing the dome aren’t really cheating, just standard gamesmanship.

goatherders 7y ago
This is what drives me nuts about baseball. Yes, you are right. That is standard gamesmanship. AND THAT IN ITSELF IS LUDICROUS. What other sport allows the field of play to be modified to fit one style of play or player? Can you imagine a basketball team raising the rims 2 feet so that Giannis couldn't dunk AND IT BEING ALLOWED? Or a football team growing the grass to 8" so that a team with fast wide receivers would be slowed? To me, baseball's rich (sarcasm) history of allowing random-sized fields and wall heights and open or closed roofs and watered or unwatered infields means that the more Circus-like elements of the sport are allowable. I too like some of this "gamesmanship". But I have a hard time understanding the difference of the allowed gamesmanship (stealing signs from second) and the disallowed and disgraceful gamesmanship (using ALLOWED in-clubhouse video to determine pitch sequences).

goatherders 7y ago

None, although here is a Yankees players detailing how they stole signs: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/02/21/mark-teixiera-yankees-sign-stealing-nothing-like-carlos-beltrans-astros/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/02/21/mark-teix.... I simply mentioned that people I know who work for MLB teams have said such things. I already stated that I think every team cheats to some degree. That was my larger point- no team is playing the game by the rules. The Astros are the most egregious that we know of. I suspect the Red Sox report will be similarly damning. But the malfesence isn't limited to those two teams. The architect of the scheme played for 7 teams in 20 years...hard to believe he came up the plan in his 20th and final season.