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> The problem here is you just re-invented the term "deserving poor". You're citing this as if the concept of "deserving poor" isn't something that's already e
by dcolkitt 7y ago
> The problem here is you just re-invented the term "deserving poor".
You're citing this as if the concept of "deserving poor" isn't something that's already enshrined in public policy. For the vast majority of American voters segmenting the deserving from the undeserving poor is a feature not a bug.
That's the reason we don't have unconditional UBI, and instead have a welfare system that's based on life circumstances. When we're more generous with children, the infirm, and the elderly than able-bodied adults who eschew work (or even worse commit crime), that is the concept of the deserving poor. And frankly I agree with that class distinction.
> the violent drug addict with mental health problems - well (s)he deserved our help about ten or fifteen years previously
And yet the very same criticism can be said about permanent criminal records or sex offender registries. Yet the vast majority of people in our society accept that committing a violent crime is "crossing the rubicon". Once you've done so, you'll always be a second-class citizen at best.
This isn't something controversial, policies based on this belief are nearly universally supported by voters. Regardless of prior personal circumstances, American society always lays the blame primarily at the perpetrator himself.
- trevyn 7y agoAnd it’s starting to become clear that this approach is not working.
- lifeisstillgood 7y ago>>> who eschew work (or even worse commit crime) Wait, what? Equating criminals should be punished with some people are more deserving than others is not the point - the deserving poor was a kid victorian justification for selectively providing assistance to a (conveniently limited) number of people while letting the majority of poor rot away in plain sight. It was a means of ignoring the systemic issues that created and sustained grinding poverty - and is IMO something we are doing still - the underclass has shrunk, yes, we have lifted many people out of overfly in the West, but prisons are populated mostly with men with poor backgrounds, educational low attainment, mental health issues and drug problems - waaaaay too out of proportion to be confidence, thus making those issues part of the modern day systemic faikures that mean some of our fellow citizens have the odds stacked against them.