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Unless they're also doing away with trashcans, I don't see how that is an explanation.

by jessaustin 7y ago

wiredfool 7y ago
They have in some places, though I think they're making a return.
zabzonk 7y ago
In London, at the height of the IRA bombing campaign, they _did_ do away with rubbish bins in public places.
- andrewaylett 7y ago
  Even today, they're of a special design to limit their use as extra shrapnel around a bomb. The UK does reasonably well at "hidden" security features. Another type are "decorative" features -- like the word "Arsenal" outside the football club, or the ponds in front of the Scottish Parliament building -- which just happen to be in the right place and of the right strength to prevent vehicles crashing through.
fxj 7y ago
Nowadays almost every garbage can has its own CCTV. Even single suitcases or bags without an owner are found quickly. Lockers are much more difficult to monitor.
xsmasher 7y ago
BART (Bay Area (San Francisco) Rapid Transit) removed trash cans in all underground BART stations for "security reasons" after 9/11.
- refurb 7y ago
  Closed all the bathrooms too.
wrboyce 7y ago
How old are you? The bins at high risk locations have been absent or transparent for years.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  I guess I never frequent such locations. Which preserves the original question: why are the locations I frequent without public lockers?
  - wrboyce 7y ago
    I was mostly being a bit cheeky as I thought your “how old are you?” upthread was a bit uncalled for; but you’ve replied and I’m always open to discuss an interesting topic! Alas I cannot answer your question really, if regular old “drop a bomb in me and nobody will notice” bins are common in your locale it seems safe to assume that public lockers have not been removed due to safety concerns. If I had to guess I’d say they were not utilised/profitable.
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      Maybe I am at a comfortable age, because taking offense to a question about my age doesn't cross my mind. I live in the Midwest USA, although I have lived lots of other places. I recently attended a playoff game at a stadium that seats 76,000, and I saw lots of normal opaque trash bins, both in and around the stadium. The bins inside were secured in that we had to walk through metal detectors and we couldn't bring big coolers in. The bins outside weren't secured by anything. A lazy terrorist could have backed his truck up to a row of bins and filled them to the top with explosives. This normal situation didn't strike anyone as odd. The military-media-industrial complex will have to do a lot more fear-mongering if they really want to drive us completely crazy. (White people in USA are fortunate to have never faced a sustained campaign of up-close terrorism.) The "efficient market in lockers" theory is not a null hypothesis. ITT, we haven't eliminated the "because homeless people use them" explanation for the widespread lack of public lockers.
      - 7y ago

Unless they're also doing away with trashcans, I don't see how that is an explanation.

wiredfool 7y ago

They have in some places, though I think they're making a return.

zabzonk 7y ago

In London, at the height of the IRA bombing campaign, they _did_ do away with rubbish bins in public places.

andrewaylett 7y ago
Even today, they're of a special design to limit their use as extra shrapnel around a bomb. The UK does reasonably well at "hidden" security features. Another type are "decorative" features -- like the word "Arsenal" outside the football club, or the ponds in front of the Scottish Parliament building -- which just happen to be in the right place and of the right strength to prevent vehicles crashing through.

fxj 7y ago

Nowadays almost every garbage can has its own CCTV. Even single suitcases or bags without an owner are found quickly. Lockers are much more difficult to monitor.

xsmasher 7y ago

BART (Bay Area (San Francisco) Rapid Transit) removed trash cans in all underground BART stations for "security reasons" after 9/11.

refurb 7y ago
Closed all the bathrooms too.

wrboyce 7y ago

How old are you? The bins at high risk locations have been absent or transparent for years.

jessaustin 7y ago
I guess I never frequent such locations. Which preserves the original question: why are the locations I frequent without public lockers?
- wrboyce 7y ago
  I was mostly being a bit cheeky as I thought your “how old are you?” upthread was a bit uncalled for; but you’ve replied and I’m always open to discuss an interesting topic! Alas I cannot answer your question really, if regular old “drop a bomb in me and nobody will notice” bins are common in your locale it seems safe to assume that public lockers have not been removed due to safety concerns. If I had to guess I’d say they were not utilised/profitable.
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    Maybe I am at a comfortable age, because taking offense to a question about my age doesn't cross my mind. I live in the Midwest USA, although I have lived lots of other places. I recently attended a playoff game at a stadium that seats 76,000, and I saw lots of normal opaque trash bins, both in and around the stadium. The bins inside were secured in that we had to walk through metal detectors and we couldn't bring big coolers in. The bins outside weren't secured by anything. A lazy terrorist could have backed his truck up to a row of bins and filled them to the top with explosives. This normal situation didn't strike anyone as odd. The military-media-industrial complex will have to do a lot more fear-mongering if they really want to drive us completely crazy. (White people in USA are fortunate to have never faced a sustained campaign of up-close terrorism.) The "efficient market in lockers" theory is not a null hypothesis. ITT, we haven't eliminated the "because homeless people use them" explanation for the widespread lack of public lockers.
    - 7y ago