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That's the thing, Tesla tracks these stats and driving with auto-pilot has less accidents - https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/Vehi

That's the thing, Tesla tracks these stats and driving with auto-pilot has less accidents - https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

ohmaigad 7y ago
Comparing specific cases to the national average probably isn't the most trustworthy source. Not really apples to apples comparison.
ceejayoz 7y ago
The comparison has been criticized, though, as Tesla's autopilot's current limitations mean it's generally engaged in safer-than-average conditions - highway driving, no snow, newer vehicles, etc. It's like comparing your primary care doc's outcomes against a world-class brain surgeon. More people come out of the PCP's office alive, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're the better doctor.
- foepys 7y ago
  Since Tesla Autopilot is only working in Highway-like environments, we should compare this to highway accidents. In Germany for example only 6.2% of all deadly accidents happen on the Autobahn. So Tesla is clearly using deceptive marketing by comparing the average across all deadly road accidents.
czzr 7y ago
I looked at the first report in your link. It says: “we registered one accident for every 3.07 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged.” And then: “By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 479,000 miles” This is true. It’s also a complete lie. It’s set up to make you think that this proves Autopilot is safer than human drivers, but it compares a national stat for all cars in all possible driving conditions to a Tesla stat for high end cars in good weather freeway driving. The latter are inherently much safer. But so many people are falling for this blatant lying - plenty of examples in this thread alone. I hate that this works for them, and that it just encourages others to lie similarly. I wish we had higher standards, as a society.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  Given the funny numbers, I'd also be interested in the number of accidents right after an autopilot disengage. Does the car disengaging autopilot and smashing into something a quarter second later count as an "autopilot engaged" crash?

That's the thing, Tesla tracks these stats and driving with auto-pilot has less accidents - https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

ohmaigad 7y ago

Comparing specific cases to the national average probably isn't the most trustworthy source. Not really apples to apples comparison.

ceejayoz 7y ago

The comparison has been criticized, though, as Tesla's autopilot's current limitations mean it's generally engaged in safer-than-average conditions - highway driving, no snow, newer vehicles, etc. It's like comparing your primary care doc's outcomes against a world-class brain surgeon. More people come out of the PCP's office alive, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're the better doctor.

foepys 7y ago
Since Tesla Autopilot is only working in Highway-like environments, we should compare this to highway accidents. In Germany for example only 6.2% of all deadly accidents happen on the Autobahn. So Tesla is clearly using deceptive marketing by comparing the average across all deadly road accidents.

czzr 7y ago

I looked at the first report in your link. It says: “we registered one accident for every 3.07 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged.” And then: “By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 479,000 miles” This is true. It’s also a complete lie. It’s set up to make you think that this proves Autopilot is safer than human drivers, but it compares a national stat for all cars in all possible driving conditions to a Tesla stat for high end cars in good weather freeway driving. The latter are inherently much safer. But so many people are falling for this blatant lying - plenty of examples in this thread alone. I hate that this works for them, and that it just encourages others to lie similarly. I wish we had higher standards, as a society.

ceejayoz 7y ago
Given the funny numbers, I'd also be interested in the number of accidents right after an autopilot disengage. Does the car disengaging autopilot and smashing into something a quarter second later count as an "autopilot engaged" crash?