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> you should be able to find the Firefox settings on your devices to disable DoH, You should be able to find a buried config option to regain your privacy is _

by nullc 7y ago

> you should be able to find the Firefox settings on your devices to disable DoH, You should be able to find a buried config option to regain your privacy is _not_ a position that we should consider acceptable! There are serious logistical challenges keeping the option off even at a household level. At the moment it isn't difficult to block at the network level, but presumably they'll start evading those blocks eventually or otherwise the claim that this is intended to prevent monitoring by ISPs will seem pretty hollow.

WorldMaker 7y ago
Mozilla seems to have made it clear that where DoH is on by default the config option won't be "buried", particularly because out of the box multiple options will be provided (both Cloudflare and NextDNS). That you see it as "regain" says we probably have different threat models/assessments here, I'm not sure I can help you much further with the paranoia associated with your current threat model.
- nullc 7y ago
  Paranoia? What exactly is paranoid about being concerned about the browser sending all firefox users traffic for an entire nation to a single party which has the technical ability to monitor all this traffic and under which current norms have essentially zero protection under the law? Surveillance at large providers is an unambiguous fact, centralizing all user's traffic at one makes it tremendously easier. The majority of US broadband users are on comcast, which as reported-- in spite of stinking in many respects has made similar public commitments to cloudflare to not monetize this data. I think you likely have it reversed which threat model is more fringe and which is more concerning.
growse 7y ago
> At the moment it isn't difficult to block at the network level, but presumably they'll start evading those blocks eventually or otherwise the claim that this is intended to prevent monitoring by ISPs will seem pretty hollow. Have you considered using a different browser? One that aligns more with your values?

by nullc 7y ago

WorldMaker 7y ago

Mozilla seems to have made it clear that where DoH is on by default the config option won't be "buried", particularly because out of the box multiple options will be provided (both Cloudflare and NextDNS). That you see it as "regain" says we probably have different threat models/assessments here, I'm not sure I can help you much further with the paranoia associated with your current threat model.

nullc 7y ago
Paranoia? What exactly is paranoid about being concerned about the browser sending all firefox users traffic for an entire nation to a single party which has the technical ability to monitor all this traffic and under which current norms have essentially zero protection under the law? Surveillance at large providers is an unambiguous fact, centralizing all user's traffic at one makes it tremendously easier. The majority of US broadband users are on comcast, which as reported-- in spite of stinking in many respects has made similar public commitments to cloudflare to not monetize this data. I think you likely have it reversed which threat model is more fringe and which is more concerning.

growse 7y ago

> At the moment it isn't difficult to block at the network level, but presumably they'll start evading those blocks eventually or otherwise the claim that this is intended to prevent monitoring by ISPs will seem pretty hollow. Have you considered using a different browser? One that aligns more with your values?