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How about they get rid of the remnants of Win 95 UI which pops up every time you dig into anything administrative or system settings related? Would that be poss

by m0zg 7y ago

How about they get rid of the remnants of Win 95 UI which pops up every time you dig into anything administrative or system settings related? Would that be possible?

wvenable 7y ago
They're working on it. I'm surprised so many developers complain about Microsoft's approach here. They're slowly moving over settings from the control panel to the settings app a little more with each Win10 release. It will be impossible (or at least wildly impractical) to attempt to do this all at once. Iterative releases is entirely the correct approach to a problem of this scale. Personally, I still prefer the old control panel but I also know it's a little intimidating for the average user. Having a mobile-phone like settings experience is going to b be less surprising for the majority of users.
- zachwood 7y ago
  Windows 8 came out almost 8 years ago. A decade to restyle some GUI panels seems a bit extreme to me.
  - WorldMaker 7y ago
    It's not just a restyle though: it's in most cases a complete rewrite. At the very least in almost all cases it is a very new UI framework compared to anything the control panel was previously written in (WinRT/XAML versus organically grown madness across mixtures of MFC/ATL/Win32-by-hand/other forms of macro soup). But if Old New Thing and other Windows blogs make anything clear, it's also a ton of new testing, because Microsoft has no idea ever what sort of changes might domino into some user's beloved fifteen year old application that no one realized instead of using the right API for its job was instead scraping the pixels of the control panel for the right shade of purple.
ocdtrekkie 7y ago
The Settings app does get a little more serviceable with each Windows 10 release. I am not sure all of those legacy UIs will ever completely fully disappear, but they're certainly becoming less necessary over time.
- vezycash 7y ago
  >but they're certainly becoming less necessary over time. It's a trick. The Microsoft I know never - NEVER, ever recreates an existing software completely before retiring it. And they'll retire the incomplete replacement with something less functional soon after.
thrower123 7y ago
Anything is possible, but is it worthwhile? Changing this stuff would be equivalent to burning an appreciable portion of the internet to the ground. Not even counting the work involved in updating the UI and ensuring that equivalent functionality was retained, the amount of documentation that would need to be updated gives me the willies.
- m0zg 7y ago
  Yes, removing legacy crap is how you move forward.
  - thrower123 7y ago
    It's only forward progress if it actually makes things better, otherwise it's just churn...
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    - stallmanite 7y ago
      I wish this attitude was more prevalent.
flohofwoe 7y ago
Given that the old control panels are more feature complete and one can actually find the stuff one is looking for, I'd rather vote for removing all the new settings panels since they don't seem to improve much despite Win10 being out for 5 years now.
- lozaning 7y ago
  The way they've fiddled with all the network settings and how you navigate to the place where you can set them drives me nuts. I did it the same way for like 20 years and now it's buggered up. Maybe this is a sign im finally getting old.
  - velosol 7y ago
    They haven't broken ncpa.cpl just yet and it works back to XP.
  - vezycash 7y ago
    >Maybe this is a sign im finally getting old. Nope. You're just fine. The current MS is just nuts. Imagine the breaks, accelerator, wind shield, steering for cars change positions for each new model. It wouldn't be your fault for feeling disoriented.
jankiehodgpodge 7y ago
If it means breaking many of the legacy applications that are still in use, no thanks.

by m0zg 7y ago

How about they get rid of the remnants of Win 95 UI which pops up every time you dig into anything administrative or system settings related? Would that be possible?

wvenable 7y ago

They're working on it. I'm surprised so many developers complain about Microsoft's approach here. They're slowly moving over settings from the control panel to the settings app a little more with each Win10 release. It will be impossible (or at least wildly impractical) to attempt to do this all at once. Iterative releases is entirely the correct approach to a problem of this scale. Personally, I still prefer the old control panel but I also know it's a little intimidating for the average user. Having a mobile-phone like settings experience is going to b be less surprising for the majority of users.

zachwood 7y ago
Windows 8 came out almost 8 years ago. A decade to restyle some GUI panels seems a bit extreme to me.
- WorldMaker 7y ago
  It's not just a restyle though: it's in most cases a complete rewrite. At the very least in almost all cases it is a very new UI framework compared to anything the control panel was previously written in (WinRT/XAML versus organically grown madness across mixtures of MFC/ATL/Win32-by-hand/other forms of macro soup). But if Old New Thing and other Windows blogs make anything clear, it's also a ton of new testing, because Microsoft has no idea ever what sort of changes might domino into some user's beloved fifteen year old application that no one realized instead of using the right API for its job was instead scraping the pixels of the control panel for the right shade of purple.

ocdtrekkie 7y ago

The Settings app does get a little more serviceable with each Windows 10 release. I am not sure all of those legacy UIs will ever completely fully disappear, but they're certainly becoming less necessary over time.

vezycash 7y ago
>but they're certainly becoming less necessary over time. It's a trick. The Microsoft I know never - NEVER, ever recreates an existing software completely before retiring it. And they'll retire the incomplete replacement with something less functional soon after.

thrower123 7y ago

Anything is possible, but is it worthwhile? Changing this stuff would be equivalent to burning an appreciable portion of the internet to the ground. Not even counting the work involved in updating the UI and ensuring that equivalent functionality was retained, the amount of documentation that would need to be updated gives me the willies.

m0zg 7y ago
Yes, removing legacy crap is how you move forward.
- thrower123 7y ago
  It's only forward progress if it actually makes things better, otherwise it's just churn...
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  - stallmanite 7y ago
    I wish this attitude was more prevalent.

flohofwoe 7y ago

Given that the old control panels are more feature complete and one can actually find the stuff one is looking for, I'd rather vote for removing all the new settings panels since they don't seem to improve much despite Win10 being out for 5 years now.

lozaning 7y ago
The way they've fiddled with all the network settings and how you navigate to the place where you can set them drives me nuts. I did it the same way for like 20 years and now it's buggered up. Maybe this is a sign im finally getting old.
- velosol 7y ago
  They haven't broken ncpa.cpl just yet and it works back to XP.
- vezycash 7y ago
  >Maybe this is a sign im finally getting old. Nope. You're just fine. The current MS is just nuts. Imagine the breaks, accelerator, wind shield, steering for cars change positions for each new model. It wouldn't be your fault for feeling disoriented.

jankiehodgpodge 7y ago

If it means breaking many of the legacy applications that are still in use, no thanks.