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I expect they can make the claim that "family-friendly" and sanitized entertainment means never covering and exposing the "controversial" nature of the people i

I expect they can make the claim that "family-friendly" and sanitized entertainment means never covering and exposing the "controversial" nature of the people in power. After all, in Disney, we take comfort that everything is alright and happy and everyone gets along! And further, people intentionally play to visit this constructed world. This is a reminder that opting out of controversy means tacit approval of the existing power structures.

wraithKingPrime 7y ago
It's fucking Disney, they are the power structure.
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Ididntdothis 7y ago
“opting out of controversy” I usually stay out of these fights but suppressing facts or opinions is something I don’t support. People should be exposed to things they don’t want to hear and learn how to do deal with them.
saghm 7y ago
> I expect they can make the claim that "family-friendly" and sanitized entertainment means never covering and exposing the "controversial" nature of the people in power. FWIW, this is a show on HBO, which doesn't exactly give viewers the same expectation of "family friendly, sanitized entertainment" as some other Disney properties.
- vonmoltke 7y ago
  > HBO [...] as some other Disney properties HBO is not a Disney property, it's a Warner property.
reaperducer 7y ago
After all, in Disney, we take comfort that everything is alright and happy and everyone gets along! You should re-watch Bambi.
- dvtrn 7y ago
  or The Fox and the Hound
  - iNate2000 7y ago
    Or Tangled
- Spellman 7y ago
  Man the old stuff gets pretty dark. So good. [tangent time] It's also very interesting looking back at Bambi in general. It's a mature story of growth as Bambi grows up to take his place in the world. But it's the subtly, especially for a children's movie, is what surprises me the most. There isn't a huge callback to the event with his mother later in the film, it happens mostly off-screen, and while it's a catalyst from his period of innocence to being taken under the wing of his father, they handle it with reverence. A more heavy-handed take would have involved Bambi facing a similar situation and showing catharsis from that moment (see Lion King). But instead Bambi takes a more naturalistic approach. Highly suggest folks go re-watch it with adult eyes if they haven't.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    Most of the Disney movies where they use animals have decently mature parallel plots. Finding Nemo and Finding Dory are basically about coping with disability. Lion King is basically Hamlet. Etc.
    - Spellman 7y ago
      Mature subject matter yes. I was more commenting on the handling of the matters in the story structure. Bambi is extraordinarily subtle and multi-faceted. Lion King, Finding [Nemo|Dory], and others are way more explicit about what one key moral they want to hammer home with callbacks and explicit cathartic reversals of previous events. For example, Lion King makes it very explicit at the climax where Simba overcomes his trauma of the gorge with a flashback when he's in the exact same situation. And the 2nd callback of "Runaway and never return" cements his position. Bambi gets catharsis off-screen completely during his time with his father. And really the main lesson of the story is the cycle of life and the process of growing up, a much broader topic.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
Fighting existing power structures is exhausting and stressful. Most people just want entertainment to relax, not fight existing power structures.
- anthm1988 7y ago
  Except this is a company.
- Ididntdothis 7y ago
  That’s the world of Brave New World. Just go along and have fun.
- sterlind 7y ago
  I'm trans, I watch LGBT cartoons to relax, namely Steven Universe and She-Ra. Cartoon Network had to censor Steven Universe in several countries, and I doubt She-Ra plays in Saudi Arabia. Cartoons are a sensitive subject abroad, since they're seen as needing to be "kid friendly" (even adult cartoons to some degree), and LGBT content is usually seen as immoral, even if it's just lesbians holding hands. If Netflix and CN had completely folded to foreign political pressure, I'd have no shows to help me relax. Until recently, no queer cartoons existed for exactly this reason.
- banads 7y ago
  >just want entertainment to relax, not fight existing power structures That's also what existing authoritarian power structures want, to keep people docile with bread and circuses.
- Spellman 7y ago
  Oh, completely agree! And I certainly don't begrudge people needing an escape/relaxation. Just a reminder that those in power are banking on others giving up and pointing out the issues at play. It's very easy to sink into an opiate-driven world.
- PaulRobinson 7y ago
  Not for me - or anybody else - to tell you how to spend your entertainment hours, but I encourage you to read this webcomic and consider your own choices: https://i.imgur.com/2H8gZq5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2H8gZq5.jpg Those power structures are responsible for causing widespread misery. Inaction is something you might feel comfortable with, but your children, grandchildren and beyond may judge you for it if you never thought about where the lines should be and acted accordingly.
uk_programmer 7y ago
> This is a reminder that opting out of controversy means tacit approval of the existing power structures. No it doesn't. There are quite a few reasons why you might opt out of having a position of a controversial subject none of them mean you tacitly approve of the status quo.
- Spellman 7y ago
  Honest question, care to elaborate? From my perspective opting out means no change. And no change means structures stay the same. Therefore, they persist and are maintained with your (weak) approval. This is different from not taking a side on a subject. You can be open to and encouraging healthy debate. I recommend most rational folks to elevate the conversation and not hold strong affiliations for most topics! But removing yourself entirely to me seems to be an act that allows the status quo to persist.
  - uk_programmer 7y ago
    > Honest question, care to elaborate? Many people may not think it is their place to speak. Some people may think they wouldn't be the best person to advocate. Others might think other people speak better about it. Other people might not be in a position to speak about it. In the UK we have many people who claim to talk for the "working class" that as one of my friends put it "looked like they have never done a day of heavy lifting in their life". I wouldn't speak on behalf of the working class, I do a white collar job. > From my perspective opting out means no change. And no change means structures stay the same. Therefore, they persist and are maintained with your (weak) approval. Does it? Many structures fall in under their own weight, many organisation reform from within. You are assuming the world and people within them around doesn't ever change. There is a whole bunch of assumptions you are making. Sometimes the best thing you can do is to do nothing. I used to cycle to work every day. That was more effective to get my coworkers cycling in than any amount of advocacy I may have done verbally. Just yourself being the change you want in the world is sometimes sufficient.
    - Spellman 7y ago

wraithKingPrime 7y ago

It's fucking Disney, they are the power structure.

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Ididntdothis 7y ago

“opting out of controversy” I usually stay out of these fights but suppressing facts or opinions is something I don’t support. People should be exposed to things they don’t want to hear and learn how to do deal with them.

saghm 7y ago

> I expect they can make the claim that "family-friendly" and sanitized entertainment means never covering and exposing the "controversial" nature of the people in power. FWIW, this is a show on HBO, which doesn't exactly give viewers the same expectation of "family friendly, sanitized entertainment" as some other Disney properties.

vonmoltke 7y ago
> HBO [...] as some other Disney properties HBO is not a Disney property, it's a Warner property.

reaperducer 7y ago

After all, in Disney, we take comfort that everything is alright and happy and everyone gets along! You should re-watch Bambi.

dvtrn 7y ago
or The Fox and the Hound
- iNate2000 7y ago
  Or Tangled
Spellman 7y ago
Man the old stuff gets pretty dark. So good. [tangent time] It's also very interesting looking back at Bambi in general. It's a mature story of growth as Bambi grows up to take his place in the world. But it's the subtly, especially for a children's movie, is what surprises me the most. There isn't a huge callback to the event with his mother later in the film, it happens mostly off-screen, and while it's a catalyst from his period of innocence to being taken under the wing of his father, they handle it with reverence. A more heavy-handed take would have involved Bambi facing a similar situation and showing catharsis from that moment (see Lion King). But instead Bambi takes a more naturalistic approach. Highly suggest folks go re-watch it with adult eyes if they haven't.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  Most of the Disney movies where they use animals have decently mature parallel plots. Finding Nemo and Finding Dory are basically about coping with disability. Lion King is basically Hamlet. Etc.
  - Spellman 7y ago
    Mature subject matter yes. I was more commenting on the handling of the matters in the story structure. Bambi is extraordinarily subtle and multi-faceted. Lion King, Finding [Nemo|Dory], and others are way more explicit about what one key moral they want to hammer home with callbacks and explicit cathartic reversals of previous events. For example, Lion King makes it very explicit at the climax where Simba overcomes his trauma of the gorge with a flashback when he's in the exact same situation. And the 2nd callback of "Runaway and never return" cements his position. Bambi gets catharsis off-screen completely during his time with his father. And really the main lesson of the story is the cycle of life and the process of growing up, a much broader topic.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago

Fighting existing power structures is exhausting and stressful. Most people just want entertainment to relax, not fight existing power structures.

anthm1988 7y ago
Except this is a company.
Ididntdothis 7y ago
That’s the world of Brave New World. Just go along and have fun.
sterlind 7y ago
I'm trans, I watch LGBT cartoons to relax, namely Steven Universe and She-Ra. Cartoon Network had to censor Steven Universe in several countries, and I doubt She-Ra plays in Saudi Arabia. Cartoons are a sensitive subject abroad, since they're seen as needing to be "kid friendly" (even adult cartoons to some degree), and LGBT content is usually seen as immoral, even if it's just lesbians holding hands. If Netflix and CN had completely folded to foreign political pressure, I'd have no shows to help me relax. Until recently, no queer cartoons existed for exactly this reason.
banads 7y ago
>just want entertainment to relax, not fight existing power structures That's also what existing authoritarian power structures want, to keep people docile with bread and circuses.
Spellman 7y ago
Oh, completely agree! And I certainly don't begrudge people needing an escape/relaxation. Just a reminder that those in power are banking on others giving up and pointing out the issues at play. It's very easy to sink into an opiate-driven world.
PaulRobinson 7y ago
Not for me - or anybody else - to tell you how to spend your entertainment hours, but I encourage you to read this webcomic and consider your own choices: https://i.imgur.com/2H8gZq5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2H8gZq5.jpg Those power structures are responsible for causing widespread misery. Inaction is something you might feel comfortable with, but your children, grandchildren and beyond may judge you for it if you never thought about where the lines should be and acted accordingly.

uk_programmer 7y ago

> This is a reminder that opting out of controversy means tacit approval of the existing power structures. No it doesn't. There are quite a few reasons why you might opt out of having a position of a controversial subject none of them mean you tacitly approve of the status quo.

Spellman 7y ago
Honest question, care to elaborate? From my perspective opting out means no change. And no change means structures stay the same. Therefore, they persist and are maintained with your (weak) approval. This is different from not taking a side on a subject. You can be open to and encouraging healthy debate. I recommend most rational folks to elevate the conversation and not hold strong affiliations for most topics! But removing yourself entirely to me seems to be an act that allows the status quo to persist.
- uk_programmer 7y ago
  > Honest question, care to elaborate? Many people may not think it is their place to speak. Some people may think they wouldn't be the best person to advocate. Others might think other people speak better about it. Other people might not be in a position to speak about it. In the UK we have many people who claim to talk for the "working class" that as one of my friends put it "looked like they have never done a day of heavy lifting in their life". I wouldn't speak on behalf of the working class, I do a white collar job. > From my perspective opting out means no change. And no change means structures stay the same. Therefore, they persist and are maintained with your (weak) approval. Does it? Many structures fall in under their own weight, many organisation reform from within. You are assuming the world and people within them around doesn't ever change. There is a whole bunch of assumptions you are making. Sometimes the best thing you can do is to do nothing. I used to cycle to work every day. That was more effective to get my coworkers cycling in than any amount of advocacy I may have done verbally. Just yourself being the change you want in the world is sometimes sufficient.
  - Spellman 7y ago