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Eh, it’s all semantics. What you are calling meta has been called strategy for thousands of years. No big deal - words change. I’ll get used to it.

nimblegorilla 7y ago
Meta is an aspect of strategy, but the terms aren't interchangeable.
fenomas 7y ago
The article's usage seems to drift around somewhat, but in esports I follow "meta" refers specifically to the consensus about which strategies are good or bad, not to strategies themselves or to anything someone does in a given game. E.g. saying "foo is meta right now" means most players consider foo to be stronger than the alternatives, and if a player uses a strategy other than foo one might say they were playing off-meta, etc. But the term is wholly distinct from strategy itself.
- james_s_tayler 7y ago
  You're literally trying to game the game.
meta-definition 7y ago
Meta is the set of viable strategies GIVEN the strategies that your competitors commonly employ. Here's a concrete example: Soccer fundamentals: passing, dribbling, etc. Soccer strategies: formation, player roles, etc. Soccer meta: viable formations, player roles, etc. No one is out there playing a 8-2-1 formation because it's not a viable strategy, i.e. it's not part of the current meta. The current meta in soccer is largely 4-4-2 and 4-4-3. 3 in the back is relatively rare, because it's weak to the player roles that we currently see being employed by competitors. It's not part of the meta because it's a weak strategy against the currently common strategies in the meta.
- richk449 7y ago
  Goal: to win High level strategy: wear down opponent, exploit endurance advantage Low level strategy: aggressive midgame, long passes, high tempo, rotate attackers Tactics: 4 4 2 formation, joe and Jean on wings, etc. force opponent mike to run side to side to wear out, then focus on scoring in final third of game. Fundamentals: passing, communication, give and go, etc. Meta: realizing that you can make more from your Instagram account than from playing the game. Disclaimer: I don’t know anything about soccer (football)
  - meta-definition 7y ago
    Feels like you're starting to argue in bad faith with the only purpose of rejecting the concept of "meta" as it's being presented. If you'd like, you can think of "meta" as short for "meta-strategy", with the distinction between "meta-strategy" and "strategy" as similar to the distinction to "meta-physics" and "physics". People who claim that "meta-physics" is just "physics" would probably be regarded as "pedants".

nimblegorilla 7y ago

Meta is an aspect of strategy, but the terms aren't interchangeable.

fenomas 7y ago

The article's usage seems to drift around somewhat, but in esports I follow "meta" refers specifically to the consensus about which strategies are good or bad, not to strategies themselves or to anything someone does in a given game. E.g. saying "foo is meta right now" means most players consider foo to be stronger than the alternatives, and if a player uses a strategy other than foo one might say they were playing off-meta, etc. But the term is wholly distinct from strategy itself.

james_s_tayler 7y ago
You're literally trying to game the game.

meta-definition 7y ago

Meta is the set of viable strategies GIVEN the strategies that your competitors commonly employ. Here's a concrete example: Soccer fundamentals: passing, dribbling, etc. Soccer strategies: formation, player roles, etc. Soccer meta: viable formations, player roles, etc. No one is out there playing a 8-2-1 formation because it's not a viable strategy, i.e. it's not part of the current meta. The current meta in soccer is largely 4-4-2 and 4-4-3. 3 in the back is relatively rare, because it's weak to the player roles that we currently see being employed by competitors. It's not part of the meta because it's a weak strategy against the currently common strategies in the meta.

richk449 7y ago
Goal: to win High level strategy: wear down opponent, exploit endurance advantage Low level strategy: aggressive midgame, long passes, high tempo, rotate attackers Tactics: 4 4 2 formation, joe and Jean on wings, etc. force opponent mike to run side to side to wear out, then focus on scoring in final third of game. Fundamentals: passing, communication, give and go, etc. Meta: realizing that you can make more from your Instagram account than from playing the game. Disclaimer: I don’t know anything about soccer (football)
- meta-definition 7y ago
  Feels like you're starting to argue in bad faith with the only purpose of rejecting the concept of "meta" as it's being presented. If you'd like, you can think of "meta" as short for "meta-strategy", with the distinction between "meta-strategy" and "strategy" as similar to the distinction to "meta-physics" and "physics". People who claim that "meta-physics" is just "physics" would probably be regarded as "pedants".