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> It's just having a hard time clambering out of the bassinet What are the reasons for you to have this opinion?

ChrisMarshallNY 7y ago
Mostly the limited uptake (I anticipated that), and the maturity of the tools. I despise IB/Storyboard Editor, but it gives some serious control over a lot of stuff. I don’t mind doing programmatic tweaking, but on my machine, at least, I don’t get very reliable previewing. I have to run the app to get an idea of how my tweaks are working (to be fair, IBE is similar, but the preview is somewhat more reliable). I really want this to work. I’m glad to see KVO getting some love on iOS.
- cerberusss 7y ago
  Limited uptake by developers you mean? How do you determine that? I had two instances where the preview turned out to be a hassle (crashing, or hard to get it to work). First was a test project with Core Data. It was a hassle to set up the preview. So much so, that I often skipped it. Second instance was crashing; I'd created a View but the layout was based on something in UserDefaults, and I forgot about that. So when I created another view that incorporated that first view, I got crashes. So bad, in fact, that a restart of Xcode didn't help. I had to close Xcode, then on the commandline, find and kill the daemon responsible for previews. Were you able to point to causes of the unreliable previewing in your case?
  - ChrisMarshallNY 7y ago
    Aw..heck. I'm not gonna get into back-and-forth. I will say that I have been developing Apple software for 34 years, so I tend to be a little on the.."hard-boiled cynic" side. I have taken OpenDoc and QuickDraw GX classes, because they were "The Next Big Thing." I also busted my butt, making sure that my apps were "Copeland-ready" (Darn it, now I have to do fifty push-ups). I've learned that it's a good idea to stand back a little, and let the eager beavers soak up the bullets. I love Apple (see "34 years," above), but they are absolute Charisma 18 hype machine masters.
    - cerberusss 7y ago
      Leaning towards the careful end of the spectrum, I can respect that. Especially once you're fast with UIKit, and Auto Layout. And Auto Layout kinda proves your last point; there's absolutely nothing "auto" about it.
      - ChrisMarshallNY 7y ago
        Auto Layout is a nightmare. I won't be sad to see the back of it. It took me a couple of years to figure out how to use it properly. Like I said, we're on the right track, and I doubt that Apple will let this fall by the wayside. I think they were planning this at about the same time that they started dreaming up Swift.

Mostly the limited uptake (I anticipated that), and the maturity of the tools. I despise IB/Storyboard Editor, but it gives some serious control over a lot of stuff. I don’t mind doing programmatic tweaking, but on my machine, at least, I don’t get very reliable previewing. I have to run the app to get an idea of how my tweaks are working (to be fair, IBE is similar, but the preview is somewhat more reliable). I really want this to work. I’m glad to see KVO getting some love on iOS.

cerberusss 7y ago
Limited uptake by developers you mean? How do you determine that? I had two instances where the preview turned out to be a hassle (crashing, or hard to get it to work). First was a test project with Core Data. It was a hassle to set up the preview. So much so, that I often skipped it. Second instance was crashing; I'd created a View but the layout was based on something in UserDefaults, and I forgot about that. So when I created another view that incorporated that first view, I got crashes. So bad, in fact, that a restart of Xcode didn't help. I had to close Xcode, then on the commandline, find and kill the daemon responsible for previews. Were you able to point to causes of the unreliable previewing in your case?
- ChrisMarshallNY 7y ago
  Aw..heck. I'm not gonna get into back-and-forth. I will say that I have been developing Apple software for 34 years, so I tend to be a little on the.."hard-boiled cynic" side. I have taken OpenDoc and QuickDraw GX classes, because they were "The Next Big Thing." I also busted my butt, making sure that my apps were "Copeland-ready" (Darn it, now I have to do fifty push-ups). I've learned that it's a good idea to stand back a little, and let the eager beavers soak up the bullets. I love Apple (see "34 years," above), but they are absolute Charisma 18 hype machine masters.
  - cerberusss 7y ago
    Leaning towards the careful end of the spectrum, I can respect that. Especially once you're fast with UIKit, and Auto Layout. And Auto Layout kinda proves your last point; there's absolutely nothing "auto" about it.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 7y ago
      Auto Layout is a nightmare. I won't be sad to see the back of it. It took me a couple of years to figure out how to use it properly. Like I said, we're on the right track, and I doubt that Apple will let this fall by the wayside. I think they were planning this at about the same time that they started dreaming up Swift.