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I like the fact they present it as an either/or choice. My natural sleep cycle seems to default to a 28 hour day (eg I go to bed slightly later every evening t

I like the fact they present it as an either/or choice. My natural sleep cycle seems to default to a 28 hour day (eg I go to bed slightly later every evening then morning) which makes interfacing with reality pretty difficult. This seems to be something shared with a number of geeks I know.

follower 7y ago
If you're not already aware of it you may wish to read about "Non-24-hour sleep–wake disorder": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake...
ekimekim 7y ago
I've been on a 28-hour cycle for the last 7 or so years. Since it lines up into a 6-day week I can still be awake for more-or-less business hours on weekdays (sleep at 4pm mondays, wake at noon fridays). I'm pretty sure 28 hours isn't quite what my body naturally wants, but it's a lot closer than 24. After a week trying to stick to a 24h cycle I'm basically a walking zombie. They tried to put me on melatonin when I was a kid. First dose sent me to hospital with an allergic reaction. After that we were pretty hesitant to try other remedies. My life was miserable until I went onto the 28h cycle and I realised it was possible to NOT be tired all the time. Don't listen to all the "oh, you just aren't doing X right" people. Find a solution that works for your body and your life.
miiiiiike 7y ago
I haven't run into many people with non-24! If you have non-24 could you answer a few questions here: https://forms.gle/fdQWLAa6kb283SHJA https://forms.gle/fdQWLAa6kb283SHJA I'll share the anonymized results in a week or so. My motivation is more social than scientific.
- BuildTheRobots 7y ago
  I'm probably not the best person to ask - I've been medicated for 7 years and have kept the current job for medication -2 months. More than happy to talk about it off list - {HN-username}@gmail.com :) I will inform the couple of awful sleepers I know at my hackspace so they can respond too.
balfirevic 7y ago
I'm like that too. Melatonin helps me fall into 24-hour rhythm. I take 1 mg in slow-release form, 2-3 hours before desired bed time. My bed time is still pretty variable, shifting 2-3 hours back and forth but at least it's not hopelessly drifting forward every day. I do sleep a lot, 9-10 hours (no alarm clock), which could be because of melatonin (1 mg is a rather large dose). See here for a lot of details about melatonin dosage and timing: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-th... Relevant quote for non-24-hour sleep–wake disorder: And what about non-24-hour sleep disorders? I think the goal in treatment here is to advance your phase each day by taking melatonin at the same time, so that your sleep schedule is more dependent on your own supplemental melatonin than your (screwed up) natural melatonin. I see conflicting advice about how to do this, with some people saying to use melatonin as a hypnotic (ie just before you go to bed) and others saying to use it on a typical phase advance schedule (ie nine hours after waking and seven before sleeping, plausibly about 5 PM)
mosdave 7y ago
Yeah, I think I would do really well with a 36 hour day.
- BuildTheRobots 7y ago
  I dream of a 36 hour day - enough time to actually get some work done and then a proper 12 hour sleep :)
adjkant 7y ago
27 hours checking in here. Melatonin can help but generally I tend to go in stages of not getting enough sleep, some forms of biphasic/polyphasic sleeping, and basically going to bed early when not getting enough sleep to buy me a few normal days.

follower 7y ago

If you're not already aware of it you may wish to read about "Non-24-hour sleep–wake disorder": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep%E2%80%93wake...

ekimekim 7y ago

I've been on a 28-hour cycle for the last 7 or so years. Since it lines up into a 6-day week I can still be awake for more-or-less business hours on weekdays (sleep at 4pm mondays, wake at noon fridays). I'm pretty sure 28 hours isn't quite what my body naturally wants, but it's a lot closer than 24. After a week trying to stick to a 24h cycle I'm basically a walking zombie. They tried to put me on melatonin when I was a kid. First dose sent me to hospital with an allergic reaction. After that we were pretty hesitant to try other remedies. My life was miserable until I went onto the 28h cycle and I realised it was possible to NOT be tired all the time. Don't listen to all the "oh, you just aren't doing X right" people. Find a solution that works for your body and your life.

miiiiiike 7y ago

I haven't run into many people with non-24! If you have non-24 could you answer a few questions here: https://forms.gle/fdQWLAa6kb283SHJA https://forms.gle/fdQWLAa6kb283SHJA I'll share the anonymized results in a week or so. My motivation is more social than scientific.

BuildTheRobots 7y ago
I'm probably not the best person to ask - I've been medicated for 7 years and have kept the current job for medication -2 months. More than happy to talk about it off list - {HN-username}@gmail.com :) I will inform the couple of awful sleepers I know at my hackspace so they can respond too.

balfirevic 7y ago

I'm like that too. Melatonin helps me fall into 24-hour rhythm. I take 1 mg in slow-release form, 2-3 hours before desired bed time. My bed time is still pretty variable, shifting 2-3 hours back and forth but at least it's not hopelessly drifting forward every day. I do sleep a lot, 9-10 hours (no alarm clock), which could be because of melatonin (1 mg is a rather large dose). See here for a lot of details about melatonin dosage and timing: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-th... Relevant quote for non-24-hour sleep–wake disorder: And what about non-24-hour sleep disorders? I think the goal in treatment here is to advance your phase each day by taking melatonin at the same time, so that your sleep schedule is more dependent on your own supplemental melatonin than your (screwed up) natural melatonin. I see conflicting advice about how to do this, with some people saying to use melatonin as a hypnotic (ie just before you go to bed) and others saying to use it on a typical phase advance schedule (ie nine hours after waking and seven before sleeping, plausibly about 5 PM)

mosdave 7y ago

Yeah, I think I would do really well with a 36 hour day.

BuildTheRobots 7y ago
I dream of a 36 hour day - enough time to actually get some work done and then a proper 12 hour sleep :)

adjkant 7y ago

27 hours checking in here. Melatonin can help but generally I tend to go in stages of not getting enough sleep, some forms of biphasic/polyphasic sleeping, and basically going to bed early when not getting enough sleep to buy me a few normal days.